It would probably be a lot easier to discuss this whole "helping the project"/"modernizing it" matter in person. I have a couple of thoughts about this but I'm not sure if they help at all. I don't want to act intrusive, you've been running this for quite some time and I'm just occasionally popping up in here.

sm[m], Heffalump[m] ^

I think the biggest issue is availability of time, not disputes over technical direction between people who actually want to do stuff

documenting darcs like you've been doing is great

if you'd like to do more in any area, just say what you need to make it possible

At some point I would certainly like to give the website a fresh look as well as extending the book. There is still no description of rebase.

in person: the last couple of years I've tried to go to Zurihac and Munihac, and I "normally" work in London. And I'd be happy to try to have a darcs-specific get together if we can figure out something that works.

Also a couple of workflows might be interesting for an Appendix.

Heffalump: Yeah I've bumped into you on one of the ZuriHac events years ago, but I was in my trademark "awkward mode" ^^

ah :-) I'm afraid I've forgotten, or at least not made the connection.

any photo / name you'd have used then that might jog my memory?

Yeah, no wonder the conversation was only like "Oh you are Ganesh. Are you still working on darcs." "Yes" "Cool… … that's really important work"

Forgetting that is pretty easy ^^.

:-)

Same picture, same name. I probably just went under the radar back then.

Were you at ICFP 2016 in Japan?

nope, haven't been to ICFP since ~2010. Even when it was in Oxford.

Ah okay, yeah, that was the only ICFP I went to. Not an academcy, just a nerd interested in all of this.

And it was a great excuse to go to Japan.

s/academcy/academic

geez my tpying suffered since I switched to Matrix. I miss editing out my typos ^^.

:-)

Is there an svg image of the darcs logo somewhere?

^ looks like modern web-based messenger stuff makes people too lazy to care enough to type correctly in their first approach

horrible times we live in

So what?

raichoo: darcs.net/static/img/logos looks promising

Heffalump: Ha! Indeed. For some reason the Wiki search didn't bring me there. Thanks a bunch!

np, just remembering it probably existed helped :-) (and I think I used google, not the wiki search)

Looks like google bubbled me suffciently. It only pointed me towards png files.

Docking complete! :)

\o/ :)

Put the darcs logo on the front page of the book.

Thought this might be a nice little touch.

nice :-)

btw, what are you using for CI?

hahaha

Nothing atm?

nope :-(

we had a buildbot instance for a while many years ago

Ah okay, I was just curious. I'm also not having CI for hikari at the moment.

the whole online CI world is quite git-focused atm. I think Ben was hoping to do something with a small git repo that just checks out from darcs or something.

Yeah I figured, hence the question. :)

there are configurable CIs

i hate third-party hosted stuff though. always poor defaults.

... like git.

but as our current infrastructure shows, hosting yourself is a timesink

GitHub ci is so easy I think it’s worth pushing to GitHub just for that

using git for CI'ing non-git would make the non-git look like a bad software

Whatever

you have to get the job done somehow

it would feel a bit strange. But the bigger obstacle is maintaining the connection. At least until someone writes a good bridge :-)

Our days of competing with git are past :)

I thought one way bridging to git was easy ?

Incremental

yup, it has won (for me).

Heffalump: Indeed, I'm glad I don't have to do the administrative work for my projects and have our admins at the hackspace take care of that. A lot of time I can put into other things.

I might be misremembering the situation with incremental darcs to git mirroring. But even if you had to redo it each time, it’s still a low cost way to get 3 platform CI

building it locally isn't so bad either

I wouldn't say no if someone set it up for me but it's not my focus at the moment

Yeah but it helps to have other platforms to test things on. For the time being consider me your FreeBSD CI ^^.

:-)

Linux versus Windows is the biggest issue. Probably next is different GHCs. After that is the different UNIXes, Linux vs FreeBSD vs MacOS

There are probably very few people using darcs on the BSDs anyway. But just compiling and running software on different systems sometimes can help finding bugs.

I found some in pijul just by running it on FreeBSD ^^.

One of them was actually pretty severe.

"Space… where opening a door becomes exciting!"

It some point I was thinking about taking a look at hackage.haskell.org/package/bake and maybe revive it for our company CI.

I did start playing with integrating bake into darcs/darcsden

but Neil has given up on it so I'm not sure it's a good long-term plan

Understandable.

Regardless of the particular CI system, I think there's quite a lot of mileage in being able to do things like reorder patches to try out intermediate states in CI too

] <raichoo> There are probably very few people using darcs on the BSDs anyway. << hi

:D

Oh?

freebsd, to be precise

i use it in production even

Ah, neat. Me too ^^

not commercially though

Yep, it's my workstation OS.

Our hackspace server is also running on FreeBSD. Same goes for the company I'm currently setting up.

i run quite a few systems, including some without darcs (plan 9)

never settle.

I've jumped through a whole lot of systems in the past. I'm feeling pretty much at home now. ^^

But yeah, whatever works for you! :)

Heffalump: That sounds pretty cool indeed.