The logbot channel is gone now right?

<pulse35 "is brave browser any good"> Lol affiliate scandal.

this is the logged channel

renlord: No the freenode one that is linked up the top.

???

i dont understand

Nevermind the logbot is working.

For some reason the search function is not working anymore here. freenode.logbot.info/grapheneos/20200820

<renlord "brenneke: host your own"> Host my own what?

brenneke[m]: dont worry about it, i misread the email discussion

I hope this is the place to ask! I cannot find tor browser in f-droid even after allowing Guardian project's repository. Any advice?

Oh nm I found it by looking at categories. Not sure why search was failing but all's well!

Hey guys, is the release of graphene os for the pixel 4a anywhere on sight?

<zozu[m] "Hey guys, is the release of grap"> it requires a maintainer and the branches from AOSP will take a few months

please in the future use the search

droshi: github.com/lukaspieper/Gcam-Services-Provider theres a reasonable chance gcam will stop working on GrapheneOS soon though

<mastercakex[m] "How do I join GOS off topic room"> /join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

#freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org as well, just in case you can click.

Migrating to a fresh install of grapheneos right now

Any idea how to move all wifi passwords off of a pixel1 (default OS) -> pixel3a w/ grapheneos?

Looks like I'm finally migrating away from googlevoice

Suggestions welcome... Just need to save my US number indefinitely.

<derpy "Any idea how to move all wifi pa"> I would probably do the local share passwords, idk if u could do them all at once though

The qr scan thing

it is a pretty massive history... I'd like a file to just export

<mastercakex[m] "Can't click nor can I find in se"> Just type...

/> <@mastercakex:matrix.org> How do I join GOS off topic room through Element App?

/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

*

/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

And press send.

/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

Lies

Without the space at the front

y'all really use Uber from the browser? Will have to try this...

many apps work just fine from the browser (i.e. mobile websites)

need to figure out a way to export all wifi passwords from a stock pixel phone...

I'm migrating to grapheneos

it is hundreds of networks... not going to do it manually

Type the command in the chat

> <@autopsy:privacytools.io>

> /join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

This.

> <@palone:matrix.org>

> /join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

You're supposed to type `/join` manually

Then copy paste this:

#freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

* #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

<za_vilfp8kn0pcyh "> <@palone:matrix.org> "> Alright

Thanks

<mastercakex[m] "Jesus Christ. Who wrote that app"> It's fedeation app, the clients are decentralized

Can't expect them to implement features that easily

But hey, it has web client. No need to download anything at all. Just pop it as PWA, landscape mode and profit

* But hey, it has web client. No need to download anything at all. Just use it as PWA, landscape mode and profit

Use Signal for better UI

It's closer somewhat to Telegram sans public rooms

<mastercakex[m] "Ok the flip side maybe it's good"> GrapheneOS is very stable for daily driver, not even a beta project

It is restarting back, the better term for it.

<mastercakex[m] "Ok the flip side maybe it's good"> It wasn't meant for the masses on the sense that they use apps with hard play services dependency without any website version for such servcies

For starters, not everyone can flash other OS in their Android phones

<mastercakex[m] "Ok the flip side maybe it's good"> Relatively, it is more stable than other custom OS, and it's been updated regularly

* It is restarting back, the better term for it, if you mean feature-wise. The nature of open source project development depends on contributors too (the more contributors stepping up even on small things, more features will be tested, implemeted)

My apologies for misunderstanding, but calling it a beta project seems unfitting

Well then, I'd agree as long as I see an evidence of him saying so.

I only remembered him saying it is not for masses

Due to security enhancements and not implementing something like microG

For it being "beta", it was more of the default apps and absence of first-party app store iirc

I can't find it on website nor on channel logs, my apologies...

Is it not possible to have one phone language (in my case English for menus, settings etc), and another for spell checking (in my case primarily Swedish), in GrapheneOS?

I have been speaking Swedish for nearly 50 years now, but having the Swedish language in the Settings menu, means that I will understand what 5% of the settings do, instead of 50% in English...I am just that dense :-).... but I have to communicate with colleagues in Swedish, so in emails etc I want Swedish spell checking.

Hmm...ok, so the language at the top of the language list, controls the language used in the phone, and then I have to change the language in the keyboard widget (?) when I write an email, correct? I can live with that...

hello

guys

i want to ask you guys about somthing strange

i have pixel 3 , with grapheneos , only installed Fdroid and aurora store

and what's app business

i forwarded a pdf using what's app business countaing some banking information

the recipient received it , with a blacked out . account and company

i didn't do it any explanation or the recipient is just playing me

bigday: i've never used whatsapp, but sounds weird/unlikely unless its some kind of security in WhatsApp business?

But I think thats also unlikely

Maybe if you are doing business with/out of China USA is blocking you

If I just follow the Google docs for WiFi calling can I get that enabled for GrapheneOS or is this not advisable?

(Bad joke)

Or do I just need to enable the WiFi calling feature in Signal?

yeah i think i'm being trolled

I think WiFi calling may not work in GrapheneOS

i will try to send it to someone else and see

dazinism: Should I just take advantage of the internal SIP feature in Graphene then?

Signal calls would work over WiFi. Not sure what you mean by enable wifi calling there?

* dazinism: Should I just take advantage of the internal SIP feature in GrapheneOS then?

I could be wrong about WiFi calling, probably best to check the logs

I think the internal AOSP sip stuff doesnt work as good as some SIP apps

WiFi calling works. Never mind. Just tested it again.

@bigday could be a whatsapp biz security feature... or you're being trolled

Facebook's security theater

* Facebook's security theater demonstration /s

"e2ee messages"™

Forgot who the main dev is in here...

Wanted to ask them if this would work on grapheneOS: reddit.com/r/Android/comments/86zkz…ring_wifi_passwords_from_old_device

<derpy "Forgot who the main dev is in he"> strcat

tnx

derpy: sounds like it should work. Maybe give it a try

if you can get a backup with the data you need adb restore may work for putting it all on the new device

guess i try to check i'm uptodate

but nothing happnes

no message to tell me if i need and update or no

not sure if seedvault backups restore WiFi settings

anyone tried?

bigday: checks happen automatically. Don't really need to do anything

that's nice

You get a notification telling you that you need to restart

sometimes from time to time i like to check manually

Checks are done automatically every few hours

Also any updates tend to get announced here, and on the GrapheneOS Twitter and Reddit

i think i need to joind that twitter channel then

Generally theres an update first Monday or Tuesday of the month, some months can get another one or two.

announcements happen when a release is tagged. Its sometime after that updates go out on the beta channel

any idea we suggest thing user side

not security suggestions

can be a fair few hours (maybe sometimes a day)after that before updates are avialable on the stable channel

The project is focused on security and privacy. Theres not any desire to do anything else

other features tale resources to develop, check they are robust and then to maintain as AOSP changes

so suggestion for more customization for the launcher

the less changes compared to AOSP, the easier it is to sustain the project

will not be taken inconsideration =(

<bigday "so suggestion for more customiza"> you are free to contribute

i wish i can i'm as any one could be from being a programer

I don't think theres anyone who would work on your suggestions. Currently everyone is busy in maintenance or trying to get old features, that have stopped working to work again.

there are other launchers that you could use

> not sure if seedvault backups restore WiFi settings

It does

Lots of them. If you really want other features you would probably find them elsewhere. Safest to stay using the GrapheneOS launcher.

derpy: the fact seedvault restores WiFi settings makes it more likely that adb backup and then adb restore will work for you

@dazinism seedvault being the same for grapheneOS and Google's Android?

derpy: no, its seedvault is not in stock, just it uses the same internal stuff as adb backup uses. So you should be able to follow that guide.

If that works you may well be able to restore the file you get from adb backup

using adb restore

You moving from stock to GrapheneOS on the same device?

Different device. Pixel 1 -> 3a

dazinism why is there an easier way to migrate with two different devices?

adb restore may still work.

if you had Google Play Services on both then its likely the Google Backup would work

right...

once your on GrapheneOS you can use Seedvault to migrate to another device with Seedvault

well I just installed Google Maps from the Aurora Store, for teh rare times I need it on GOS

cool

I just use the OSMand or if I need to check traffic use Google maps website

you know... you're drunk in a taxi and everyone's phone is dead, and they're asking for google maps..

shit like that...

would like to use the apps sometimes just not have them doing anything when closed

apps meaning some that need google services

derpy if iam understanding correct

you can go calyx

still stay on grapheneOS, just bought a pixel for it)

the unlock screen is a bit sluggish with the *** password characters coming up slowly... is this normal?

i think that the difference between them is micro G

i'm on graphene

which source did you install Signal from? Signal's website?

I kinda trust signal less than telegram because I think signal is a snowden promoted psyop... ya, damn conspiracy theorists :(

Derpy: have a look there

meaning the recommended place is signal.org ... ok

so just enabled signal to be allowed to install apps

The new firefox for android is out!

hi

is it true that phone mics are always on

on normal android

@andresbs:matrix.org you should check out to learn more about browsers on android:

I don't think Firefox is ever going to be able to turn things around at this point, unfortunately

They just fired the teams that ensured their core product that actually made them money had a future, and they seem to be instead concentrating on cloud services that nobody cares about

and their main source of revenue is their primary competitor

it is, what it is, we should just give people the information and let them weigh the pros and cons for themselves; yeah the recent layoffs definitely don't help

what about brave

talk in offtopic

i tried to use the clock app

and it told me the app version is too old and won't function as should

also i'm used to make the alarm wake the phone if it's switched off

this won't happen with Graphene and is there an update i should do to clock app

buffer 2

what is that

Try magic earth or google maps go

<zombieworld[m] "Hi, I be just got a Pixel 3a and"> You what?

Lose your driving license in a day without Waze? Jesus Christ.

lma

so you are a danger huh

Everyone does it, so it must be okay

talk in offtopic

annoying that people can't read rules

Waze may or may not need Google services to run. Since GrapheneOS doesn't have that, you may struggle to install certain apps.

Use another app, or stick to the speed limit.

freenode.logbot.info/?q=Waze&ch=grapheneos a quick search would've shown that Waze is pretty much a no go on GrapheneOS.

i would suggested to make a list that can be updated monthly for post graphene flash with a list of apps that is considered okay and will help new commers get going

is there a decent whitepaper on how the Titan M works? I'm not able to turn up much besides the google blog post announcing it

can any of the devs help me understand how Android Mainline works and how it helps with GrapheneOS development? is it useful for backporting kernel patches?

<aeonsolution[m] "can any of the devs help me unde"> it doesn't help GrapheneOS at all

it breaks up components from AOSP and ships them over Play Store

GrapheneOS builds from AOSP

so it doesn't apply

it only helps unsupported devices

GrapheneOS doesn't support unsupported devices

ok, perfect; kicking it out of my brain now

cn3m: thank you

<aeonsolution[m] "cn3m: thank you"> cheers 🙂

aeonsolution backporting kernel patches is a real PITA. Binder for example was a failure to backport to XLTS(which Android uses iirc). That is why it effected Pixel 2, but not 3 and 4

if you are interested in the subject you should watch this video

thanks, resources are always welcomed!

Brad Spengler is always a good source on issues related to kernel security

I highly recommend following his twitter

it is mildly depressing if you like Linux though

ohhhhhhhhh nice, i had heard about this talk

nikitalita: this reddit post from cn3m has links to more info reddit.com/comments/hfc1ls/comment/fw8kr29

sweet

riotuser1993 your serial number is on show.

nikitalita: also maybe developer.android.com/training/arti…les/keystore#HardwareSecurityModule

Which device has the best support status currently? Should I go with the Pixel 3a, or the Pixel 4a?

I'm looking for something that has good support out of the box, and will remain supported for 2+ years down the line.

I just bought 3a xl because bigger screen and cheaper (~200 on ebay).

pixel 4a has better hardware but I'd rather spend less now and wait for 5a/6a which hopefully has wireless charging

Thank you.

riotuser1993: you should be using powershell

and following the instructions on grapheneos.org/install

Great deal

Okay, so it looks like the Google Pixel 5 will be coming out this fall.

yeah

they usually announce in October

Would it make sense to wait for that device's release (plus an additional amount of time for support to be added), instead of getting a Pixel 3a with GrapheneOS?

pixel 3a is pretty cheap right now and it might be a while until pixel 5 is suppoted

* pixel 3a is pretty cheap right now and it might be a while until pixel 5 is supported

Which device do you personally use yourself?

How long was it until Pixel 4 and 4xl was supported? It was last month I think?

I'm using a Pixel 4 right now, works great

Thank you.

I'm looking at second hand prices right now. Maybe I'll get the Pixel 3a as it is the cheapest.

How is the camera support on GrapheneOS?

Does the front and rear cameras work?

yep

zombieworld: which Google camera app are you referring to?

the AOSP camera app is pretty bare bones, yeah

I don't think I've actually tried the Google one on Pixels

Oh, so it sounds like while the camera is supported on GrapheneOS, it depends on the specific app?

Okay. Well, I don't care too much about my phone's camera anyways. So it should be all good :)

no, any camera app will work

hey I just saw grapheneOS can create up to 16 users, is that true?

Does GrapheneOS support dual sim?

I don't think there's any core functionality breakage on the officially supported non-legacy Pixels besides the lack of google services?

Ah, okay. Thank you for clarifying.

<Biruwa "Does GrapheneOS support dual sim"> but pixels have just 1 sim card slot...

Biruwa: You can use any camera app, the stock one in AOSP is just unmaintained. The Google one just has algorithms and direct access to the hardware to improve the picture quality. And eSIM is not supported in GrapheneOS

Alright, thank you for letting me know.

charlesql: yes, the limit is 16 users in GrapheneOS

<charlesql[m] "hey I just saw grapheneOS can cr"> I dunno, why don't you test it out?

<refragable[m] "charlesql: yes, the limit is 16 "> is it easy to switch between users?

yeah

<nikitalita[m] "I dunno, why don't you test it o"> I wish, but my Pixel 3 is broken. Im waiting to buy 4a

<nikitalita[m] "yeah"> awesome! Thanksss

drag down the options menu, click the profile button in the bottom right, switch

<nikitalita[m] "drag down the options menu, clic"> so same as stock Android

pretty much

<nikitalita[m] "drag down the options menu, clic"> I CANT BELIEVE I DONT EVEN KNOW THIS!

Theres a load of info about user profiles here

In your opinion, what are the real uses of graphene? Like where are u actually able to exploit all of its functionality?

what do you mean?

imo the main features of grapheneos are security and privacy, and that it's based on android so you can still run android apps (that don't require google play services)

i wanted to have in mind some other special features that i didn't know

there's not really any special fancy usability features

I don't need any of those on my phone, so I don't really care about 'em

Sure, the security and privacy aspects are what atractted me. Then I also discovered linux so I'm just thinking how to compartmentalize my virtual existence

xD anyway, I don't have a pixel so in the meanwhile f-droid and another tools are pretty cool

likethatt12: what apps do you tend to use on android?

social media, youtube, some writing and music

basically, grapheneOS will be fine if you don't need to rely on a proprietary app that uses google services (for which you can't find a FOSS replacement that doesn't use google services)

yep

so for youtube, I use newpipe, for twitter I'm using twidere, I've stopped using facebook entirely because fuck them, for notes I'm using Standard Notes

is spotify available there?

a good question

anyone use spotify on grapheneos?

i don't this it's really dependant on google services

oh, nice

likethatt12: the main problem is that some of these apps rely on google play services. it's not always obvious when they do until you try them and test to see if they break or not

zombieworld: offtopic, yo

likethatt12: actually, have you tried spotify on the mobile browser to see if that works?

<nikitalita[m] "anyone use spotify on grapheneos"> Yes

did you have to do anything special to get that to work?

Nope, nothing

Just works

cool

<nikitalita[m] "anyone use spotify on grapheneos"> I dont use spotify anymore, but I remembered last year when I had Spotify on my graphene it was fine

another question: so with Android multiple users even if you switch from user A to user B apps in user A can still run in background even if you are on user B...what about graphene?

Cant find anything related on graphene's website

Hi all, I just put Graphene OS on a pixel 4xl a few days ago, love it. Everything is great thus far. But I cannot get VoLTE or WiFi calling to work on AT&T. Anyone know if that is possible, and if not it work if I switch back to Verizon as I've heard?

spoonhoarder82: yeah, I've had similar issues

there's someone working on it in the issue tracker right now, I think

he was able to get it to work for Verizon, but hasn't been able to generally for other carriers