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headgas[m]
Anyone interested in a perfect Pixel 4xl?
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cn3m[m]
headgas: please take this to the off topic channel
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cn3m[m]
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headgas[m]
I don't know how to go to different channels
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brenneke[m]
How do I find and get to the off topic channel on Riot?
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nikitalita[m]1
click that link? does it not work?
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brenneke[m]
Nein.
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nikitalita[m]1
which version of the riot client are you using? web? the electron app? mobile?
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brenneke[m]
Mobile
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brenneke[m]
Curious why it doesn't come up in global search.....?
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nikitalita[m]1
Hmm, works for me on mobile
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nikitalita[m]1
what is the version number that you see when you go to settings->help&about
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brenneke[m]
0.9.12
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nikitalita[m]1
yeah, that's way out of date, please update to the new version; riot is called "element" now, so you might have to search for that on whatever app store you're using
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brenneke[m]
Thanks. Am signed into Element now, link still does not work.
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brenneke[m]
"Not implemented yet in Element"
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nikitalita[m]1
this is so strange; a number of people have been complaining about these links not working
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nikitalita[m]1
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nikitalita[m]1
brenneke: try that link
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brenneke[m]
Same not implemented message
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nikitalita[m]1
oh, wait, I see
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brenneke[m]
Why does it not come up in search like GrapheneOS does?
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nikitalita[m]1
those links don't work on mobile if you're not already in the room
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nikitalita[m]1
brenneke: it's not listed publicly
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brenneke[m]
OK....so now what?
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nikitalita[m]1
trying to figure this out, one moment
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nikitalita[m]1
I mostly use the desktop client
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nikitalita[m]1
ok, I cannot figure this out; there doesn't seem to be another way to create a sharable room link
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nikitalita[m]1
anyone else know how to do this on mobile?
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nikitalita[m]1
I think part of the problem is that #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org is an irc bridged room
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nikitalita[m]1
wait
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Type this:
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
`/join`
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Then copy paste:
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
#freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Enter it, would probably work for older clients
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nikitalita[m]1
yes, finally
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brenneke[m]
All on same line?
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nikitalita[m]1
`#freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org`
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Yes
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nikitalita[m]1
something a bit easier to copy and paste
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nikitalita[m]1
`/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org`
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nikitalita[m]1
we should just tell people to copy and paste that to join it now when they ask
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Doesn't work always
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nikitalita[m]1
oh yeah? doesn't work on some third-party clients?
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
'/join' has to be typed
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
For those client that support '/join' command
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nikitalita[m]1
mmmm
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Sometimes, it does not recognize the command
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Just to be on the safe side
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nikitalita[m]1
maybe we'd have to provide both the link and the command
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Yeah
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bson989[m]
What is the best way to reinstall grapheneos? Do I need to go back to stock OS or can I just wipe everything and reflash?
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bson989[m]
Using Ubuntu
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
<bson989[m] "What is the best way to reinstal"> No need
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Just backup, reflash
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Reflashing should wipe it?
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
* Just backup, reflash (GrapheneOS)
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nikitalita[m]1
bson989: also, when you're going through the instructions again, if you get confused at some place, just ask here
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nikitalita[m]1
I'm curious to see where people are getting tripped up
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bson989[m]
Okay thank you good to know
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bson989[m]
Okay well I'm not going to attempt it tonight but Is signify what you use to verify the factory images
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nikitalita[m]1
yes
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bson989[m]
I think that part is confusing to me because at the beginning it says obtain signify and then towards the end it wants you to verify the factory images
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nikitalita[m]1
and now I'm realizing we totally forgot to help the guy who was asking about it last night
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nikitalita[m]1
bson989: what OS are you using?
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bson989[m]
And I don't really understand what that is for is that basically so you know you have a legit copy
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bson989[m]
Ubuntu 20.04
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nikitalita[m]1
it checks to see if the image's signature matches the developer
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bson989[m]
The lite version
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nikitalita[m]1
yeah, you can get it by typing `sudo apt install signify-openbsd`
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bson989[m]
Yes I just figured that out today but it's too late now
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bson989[m]
I thought it could be done after the fact
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nikitalita[m]1
yeah, you don't wanna skip that step
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bson989[m]
Also I'm pretty sure the first time it didn't work because of this error that they listed in troubleshooting-A common issue on Linux distributions is that they mount the default temporary file directory /tmp as tmpfs which results in it being backed by memory and swap rather than persistent storage. By default, the size is 50% of the available virtual memory. This is often not enough for the flashing process,
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bson989[m]
especially since /tmp is shared between applications and users. To use a different temporary directory if your /tmp doesn't have enough space available:
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bson989[m]
So ran this command TMPDIR="$PWD/tmp" ./flash-all.sh
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nikitalita[m]1
bson989: that's not the case on stock ubuntu 20.04
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bson989[m]
mkdir tmp. Should I have ran this command first?
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bson989[m]
Because I left that out
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nikitalita[m]1
yes
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nikitalita[m]1
what happened when you ran that command?
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bson989[m]
Well it worked after that
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bson989[m]
Even though I left that first line out
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bson989[m]
Is there a way to save the progress in terminal
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bson989[m]
I thought I saved it so I could go back and see the errors but I must not have
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nikitalita[m]1
save the progress?
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marlow11[m]
Can save a log if you use something like tmux
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bson989[m]
I think the biggest problem is I haven't used Linux in a very long time and I'm rusty. I don't have access to anything past Windows 7 right now. So I just need to familiarize myself more with Linux and the terminal
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bson989[m]
This is why I asked before if just the fact that graphene is running is that proof everything installed correctly?
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bson989[m]
Because I did have a lot of unstability at first
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nikitalita[m]1
I dunno, that might be indicative of any number of things; i personally haven't had any problems on a pixel 2 or a pixel 4
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bson989[m]
Instability*
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nikitalita[m]1
reflashing might help, it couldn't hurt at least as long has you have everything backed up
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bson989[m]
I'm not worried about backing anything up I haven't got that far into it
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bson989[m]
It is a pixel 3
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bson989[m]
If the verifying process with signify is so easy and important then why do all the videos online skip that part
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nikitalita[m]1
actually, can you do this in the terminal: `cat mtab | grep tmp`
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nikitalita[m]1
ech
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nikitalita[m]1
not that
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nikitalita[m]1
do this in the terminal: `cat /etc/mtab | grep tmp`
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bson989[m]
Okay
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nikitalita[m]1
and see if anything is mounted at /tmp
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bson989[m]
Well I went back to the tmp folder on my computer and nothing is in there
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nikitalita[m]1
yeah, but I just wanna see if you actually have a memory/swap partition for "/tmp"
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bson989[m]
Okay I guess I can go fired it up real quick and check
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nikitalita[m]1
oh, you're not on it right now?
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nikitalita[m]1
eh, don't worry about it then; when you pick it up again later, just check that
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bson989[m]
I am now
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nikitalita[m]1
ok
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bson989[m]
What is that character you have before grep
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bson989[m]
Does that just mean next line
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bson989[m]
Like I said I don't really know how to use terminal
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nikitalita[m]1
|, the pipe sigil, it's on the backslash key
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bson989[m]
Got it
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bson989[m]
Command not found
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bson989[m]
Is there a space after grep
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nikitalita[m]1
`cat /etc/mtab | grep /tmp`
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nikitalita[m]1
copy and paste that
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nikitalita[m]1
`cat` is used to output a file to stdout, `|` tells the previous command to pipe stdout to the following command, `grep` searches for patterns and outputs the lines that match a given pattern
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nikitalita[m]1
`/etc/mtab` is the list of mounted file systems on the system
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bson989[m]
Okay what do you want to know
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nikitalita[m]1
did it output anything?
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bson989[m]
I typed it both ways you told me and got two different outcomes
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nikitalita[m]1
ok, just copy and paste the output here
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bson989[m]
Well I'm on two different devices so I have to type it
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bson989[m]
That second command came up with this
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bson989[m]
Tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,noatime 0 0
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nikitalita[m]1
yep
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bson989[m]
That first command is a whole list of stuff
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nikitalita[m]1
ok, you do have a memory/swap partition mounted as /tmp, so that is why you were having problems in the first place
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bson989[m]
0 looks like it's giving partition size
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nikitalita[m]1
* ok, you do have a memory/swap partition mounted as /tmp, so that is why you were having problems in the first place (probably)
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bson989[m]
Or folder size
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bson989[m]
Okay is there a way to correct this for future
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nikitalita[m]1
just curious, when you installed ubuntu 20.04, did you enable full disk encryption?
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bson989[m]
Yeah I was thinking about that too I thought that might have something to do with it but I can't remember
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bson989[m]
I believe so
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bson989[m]
What are the options that might help me remember
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nikitalita[m]1
eh, its not that important
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nikitalita[m]1
well
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nikitalita[m]1
for this case
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nikitalita[m]1
for security in general, it's important
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bson989[m]
Is there a way to verify that
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nikitalita[m]1
yeah, I'm looking that up now
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nikitalita[m]1
bson989: type `cryptsetup status`, don't press enter, press tab a couple of times, see what devices it lists
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bson989[m]
Nothing
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nikitalita[m]1
y
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bson989[m]
Pressed tab twice
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nikitalita[m]1
yeah, then you don't have it enabled
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bson989[m]
It just stopped after that
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bson989[m]
You're saying that means I did not run disc encryption
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nikitalita[m]1
I think that may be why a memory/swap partition is mounted as /tmp; ubuntu may also just automatically do that for certain systems, I dunno
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nikitalita[m]1
Yes, it doesn't look like you enabled disc encryption when you installed
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bson989[m]
Well I am on a very recent install so I could just reinstall Ubuntu if you think that would be wise
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bson989[m]
I'm not worried about losing any data
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nikitalita[m]1
yeah, if you're intending to use this regularly, i'd do that
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bson989[m]
Do you think being lubuntu has anything to do with jt
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bson989[m]
It*
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nikitalita[m]1
eh, probably not
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nikitalita[m]1
the variant ubuntu versions generally don't mess with the installer
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renlord
pls take this offline
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nikitalita[m]1
okey doke
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nikitalita[m]1
#freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org
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renlord
how big to set your tmpfs is not a #grapheneos issue
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bson989[m]
Is there a better place to discuss this
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bson989[m]
?
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nikitalita[m]1
the offtopic channel that i just linked
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bson989[m]
IC
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renlord
bson989[m]: are you having trouble installing graphene os?
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bson989[m]
Yes
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bson989[m]
Okay how do I get that link to work
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nikitalita[m]1
<bson989[m] "Okay is there a way to correct t"> so now that we've confirmed that you have a tmpfs /tmp, and that you were having issues the first time when running `./flash-all.sh`, you should use the commands that are written in the guide in troubleshooting instead of just `./flash-all.sh`
grapheneos.org/install#troubleshooting
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bson989[m]
So they are two separate commands
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nikitalita[m]1
yes
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nikitalita[m]1
btw, to join the offtopic channel on mobile, copy and paste this in the chat line and hit enter:
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nikitalita[m]1
`/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org`
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nikitalita[m]1
for some reason the link isn't working on mobile
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bson989[m]
`/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org`
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nikitalita[m]1
/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org
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nikitalita[m]1
copy and paste that
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nikitalita[m]1
I didn't realize that mobile would actually copy the `
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nikitalita[m]1
<frenchieisverige "But there is no signify on windo"> BTW, this person is right, signify isn't on windows by default, there is no obvious way to install signify on Windows that I can see, and the installation instructions don't say how. Is there a supported way to install signify on windows?
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nikitalita[m]1
there's this, but it seems to be pretty out of date:
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nikitalita[m]1
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nikitalita[m]1
yes, but it's dependent on getting a maintainer for them
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yxcvbnmlp[m]
<nikitalita[m]1 "/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offt"> I dont find the room in RiotX. Also tried only with#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org
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nikitalita[m]1
and this link doesn't work? #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org
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yxcvbnmlp[m]
When i click your link (:
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nikitalita[m]1
and the join command didn't work? I dunno then, not familiar with RiotX
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yxcvbnmlp[m]
<nikitalita[m]1 "and the join command didn't work"> No, what App are you using?
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nikitalita[m]1
I'm just using the official Element clients on desktop and mobile
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nikitalita[m]1
<futurenewsplz[m] "Cool what does a maintainer have"> a lot of technical things; i'm not a maintainer or a dev on this so i can't say exactly what, you'd have to ask them when they're around
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nikitalita[m]1
* /join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org
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nikitalita[m]1
I've used it on both the Pixel 2 and the Pixel 4, performance is good across both
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nikitalita[m]1
i only used the pixel 2 for normal stuff like browsing and messages, i can't speak to stuff like gaming, but I didn't notice anything like UI lag
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nikitalita[m]1
i used retroarch on pixel 4, performance was good on that for 3d games
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nikitalita[m]1
the main thing is that you can't use play store apps that require google play services
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renlord
bson989[m]: can you send your logs
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renlord
paste them in 0bin.net or something
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nikitalita[m]1
It's difficult to say exactly what apps actually require them to be used though, and it's not always obvious; some may just complain and not show notifications, some may just break entirely.
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nikitalita[m]1
Not off the top of my head
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nikitalita[m]1
you can search the logs in here for apps that you're interested in though, look in the topic
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nikitalita[m]1
for me personally, I'm just not using any proprietary apps. I'm only using open source apps, most of which I get from F-droid
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nikitalita[m]1
the pixel 2 i was using had a busted mic
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nikitalita[m]1
i'd recommend reading the faq and the recommended device section in particular:
grapheneos.org/faq
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nikitalita[m]1
oh, the rules link seems to be down
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nikitalita[m]1
if you're using the desktop or web client, click this link:
matrix.to/#/!NKqyWWNTlbuXwOPMCt:matrix.org
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nikitalita[m]1
if you're on the mobile client, copy and paste this:
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nikitalita[m]1
/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org
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nikitalita[m]1
I just tested it and it worked for me on mobile after leaving the room; try it again and make sure its correct, also try closing and reopening the app after doing it
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nikitalita[m]1
is this ios or android?
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nikitalita[m]1
yeah, if those things don't work, I don't know, you might wanna just temporarily use the web client on a desktop to open that link
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smashingclerk[m]
<futurenewsplz[m] "Thanks, is Always on Display sti"> yes, always on display is available on GrapheneOS
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Autopsy[m]
<smashingclerk[m] "yes, always on display is availa"> No, it is device dependent.
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Autopsy[m]
The 4 and 4XL don't have AoD.
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nikitalita[m]1
anyone else have client recommendations on Android?
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nikitalita[m]1
I've tried fluffychat, but I've had problems verifying it from my desktop client
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dazinism
nikitalita: I've got fluffychat, it works pretty well. They've got their own Fdroid repo, which is linked, with the repo fingerprint, from the Known Repositories thread on the fdroid forum.
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dazinism
Has one annoying bug, where sometimes pressing delete with typing deletes all/half the message and using undo on a keyboard doesnt bring it back.
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nikitalita[m]1
i guess ill give that another shot
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dazinism
@nikitalita:privacytools.io think sometimes connecting to their repo can be a bit patchy, may have to wait a bit and try again
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derpy
Any recommendation to replace SMS & Voice of Google Voice - and has support to port your number?
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derpy
not gonna be able to use grapheneOS unless I can receive many dual factor SMSs, which are through my google voice number
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derpy
Also whats the most liked email client by GrapheneOS community... Unfortunately the recommendation not to use email is not going to work for most of us.
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xmwv[m]
k9, fairemail, etc
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derpy
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derpy
ah ok will try FairEmail then
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derpy
What to do for SMS & Voice is the mystery
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derpy
Is there a migration guide from stock android? Recommended way to migrate contacts and stuff like that?
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derpy
seems like a main recommendation is voip.ms
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derpy
How do we keep contacts backed up? I wanted to be able to add a contact, throw my phone in the ocean, then restore the next day and still have it...
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Autopsy[m]
<derpy "How do we keep contacts backed u"> Carddav service
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derpy
Caldav Sync?
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Autopsy[m]
I use FastMail. I added my contacts to that service. I then use Dav5x to sync them using CardDAV / WebDAV.
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hultan[m]
Is there a way to quickly go pack to previous app? On my old android I believe it was double tapping on the back button...
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kickstart
is Dav5 is free
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Autopsy[m]
Or right to left if you want to go back to the app you just came from.
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marlow11[m]
Holy crap that's convenient. You just made my day
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derpy
you trust Dav5x?
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derpy
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kickstart
i don't know what to trust
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kickstart
thats why i'm asking
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derpy
Same here... I don't know what the options are
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kickstart
i asked before and also was recommended EteSync
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kickstart
now i'm looking for metadata cleaner
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Autopsy[m]
<derpy "you trust Dav5x?"> Yes.
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bson989[m]
Is there a gesture or more convenient way to activate the flashlight. I'm assuming active edge doesn't work.
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bson989[m]
I mean other than just the drop-down
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Autopsy[m]
No.
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derpy
Autopsy[m] are you a bot?
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derpy
sorry I'm not able to pass turing tests very well today :P
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Autopsy[m]
No.
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Autopsy[m]
Yes.
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Autopsy[m]
Maybe.
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kickstart
so you neither confirm or deny
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kickstart
lool
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derpy
I'm thinking No, but hard to tell sometimes
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derpy
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Autopsy[m]
<derpy "
reddit.com/r/Android"> Do you have them already?
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derpy
Autopsy[m] don't think there will be a problem exporting from the other device...
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derpy
but no, not yet
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Autopsy[m]
Right, so can you explain your set up and what it is you want to achieve
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derpy
Same as that reddit thread... Move all wifi APNs and password to my new GrapheneOS install (from stock Pixel)
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Autopsy[m]
<derpy "Same as that reddit thread... Mo"> On your stock Pixel, do you have the option to share WiFi with another device? It generates a QR code.
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derpy
Per network? There are hundreds... I wanna keep them all
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Autopsy[m]
I'll reply in a bit. Just driving at the mo.
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derpy
k tnx
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Autopsy[m]
Not texting whilst driving, btw!
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derpy
How many bridges are you going under? *passes turning test* :P
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hultan[m]
Autopsy:
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hultan[m]
thanks for the swipe hint
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hultan[m]
a while ago :-)
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derpy
Fennec the best firefox for greapheneOS? I just need it for one location-based app that won't work in the default browser :)
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kickstart
sorry i don't understnad is Fennec is an app name or person in the channel
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Probably (Fennec F Droid is somewhat Un-Mozilla'd Firefox partly)?
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Why not Bromite, just asking?
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kickstart
i couldn't find bromite in f dorid is it just me lacking skills
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theultron[m]
<kickstart "i couldn't find bromite in f dor"> You need to add the Bromite Repo in F-Droid before you can download it from there.
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theultron[m]
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derpy
za_vilfp8kn0pcyh because when I typed firefox in f droid, fennec came up first...
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derpy
theultron[m] za_vilfp8kn0pcyh so is bromite the recommended Firefox fork for grapheneos?
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derpy
theultron[m] ^
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theultron[m]
Bromite is not Firefox. It's Chromium Fork.
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derpy
oh apologies... won't work then I think
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Nah, it isn't even a Firefox fork
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
And by grapheneos.org/faq, Firefox and its fork aren't recommended
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derpy
Ya neither is "email" :P
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theultron[m]
Do you need Firefox for a particular reason?
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
But if it is absolutely necessary
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derpy
I just need it for one location-based app that won't work in the default browser :)
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theultron[m]
You can use Firefox in a second user profile for isolation.
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Fennec may work, or Firefox Nightly?
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derpy
ah do you guys create a 2nd user and then install a bunch of apps using the Aurora Store? Is that safe?
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theultron[m]
<derpy "ah do you guys create a 2nd user"> Yes.
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derpy
za_vilfp8kn0pcyh idk where else to get firefox than F Droid... So I only see fennec so far
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theultron[m]
<za_vilfp8kn0pcyh "Fennec may work, or Firefox Nigh"> I think Fennec removes the proprietary blobs. Nightly might have issues with certain websites.
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theultron[m]
<derpy "za_vilfp8kn0pcyh-tfcfvapg77a idk"> Use Fennec.
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derpy
F Droid says "this app has features you may not life" as it often does...
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derpy
I'm guessing that means proprietary software
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sinenomine[m]
Hi, what FLOSS tool can I install on GrapheneOS to wipe/erase files ?
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
<sinenomine[m] "Hi, what FLOSS tool can I instal"> Just wipe them
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
in settings
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
SSD on phones don't have the retention issues as HDD
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Besides, the encryption keys on Titan M would be wiped anyways if you do so
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Autopsy[m]
<derpy "Per network? There are hundreds."> Once you've run through the script shown on that Reddit post, you'll get a text file with all the SSIDs and Passwords. To automatically do it, you'll have to build the app in the GitHub link, push that to GrapheneOS, then some how extract the specific SSID and password you want, perhaps using a bash script, to then generate the adb shell commands required to inject the details
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Autopsy[m]
over.
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sinenomine[m]
<za_vilfp8kn0pcyh "in settings"> In what settings ? system settings ?
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sinenomine[m]
or on the gallery app settings ?
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Autopsy[m]
<derpy "F Droid says "this app has featu"> No, it doesn't necessarily mean it is proprietary. The app itself will be open source and free of anything F Droid believe is untoward (e.g. Frost for Facebook); however, the app may use services (e.g. Facebook) which is proprietary.
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derpy
Fennec worked :)
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theultron[m]
<Autopsy[m] "Once you've run through the scri"> He can also use Tasker with Autoinput in a 2nd user profile to input all wifi details. But he will need to write a set of actions for the same to happen which is time confusing. Is there any way for him to export in seedvault compliant format and then import in seedvault?
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derpy
Way more work than I expected to migrate to GrapheneOS... But might as well... Would just be rough to setup everything again if I got a new phone... Perhaps the way is some full imaging of phone in case anything happens to it
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theultron[m]
You can backup using Seedvault.
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theultron[m]
> <@autopsy:privacytools.io> Once you've run through the script shown on that Reddit post, you'll get a text file with all the SSIDs and Passwords. To automatically do it, you'll have to build the app in the GitHub link, push that to GrapheneOS, then some how extract the specific SSID and password you want, perhaps using a bash script, to then generate the adb shell commands required to inject the details over.
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theultron[m]
* He can also use Tasker with Autoinput in a 2nd user profile to input all wifi details. But he will need to write a set of actions for the same to happen which is time confusing.
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theultron[m]
"GrapheneOS includes Seedvault as an OS backup service which must be explicitly enabled, and it has the option to automatically restore app data when an app is reinstalled, so it wouldn't lose track of it being the same profile."
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Autopsy[m]
<theultron[m] ""GrapheneOS includes Seedvault a"> I believe app has to be built into the OS. Seeing as derpy is on Stock, I'm not sure if there's a way of integrating it. Probably best to ask cdesai or nickcalyx about that, though.
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cdesai
yes, it has to be a system app, and signed with the platform key at the moment.
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theultron[m]
What about ADB backup? Can that backup and restore wifi networks?
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cdesai
there's no way to 'install it' just like any other app.
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cdesai
In the future there might be a way to root and install it on stock
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cdesai
yeah, it should be, we basically use the same underlying mechanism in seedvault.
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Autopsy[m]
<cdesai "In the future there might be a w"> But obviously that's no bueno on Graphene
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theultron[m]
Okay. derpy can try adb backup on stock and restoring on grapheneos.
swiftforensics.com/2019/10/part-3-adb-keyvalue-backups-wifi-and.html
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Autopsy[m]
Soz, didn't see "on stock" lol
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cdesai
Autopsy[m]: well, since it's already included, that's not needed.
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Yes
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Autopsy[m]
<cdesai "Autopsy: well, since it's alread"> Yeah, had a bit of a brain fart 😂
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derpy
Hmmm I wonder why the reddit guide did not suggest restoring with adb as well - any idea?
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
<sinenomine[m] "In what settings ? system settin"> Yes
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derpy
Because if stock -> stock (backup&restore) doesn't work, then I don't see why stock->graphene would
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sinenomine[m]
> <@za_vilfp8kn0pcyh-tfcfvapg77a:privacytools.io> Yes
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sinenomine[m]
> System > Reset
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sinenomine[m]
Yes but I just want to wipe some specific files not all of em ?
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theultron[m]
<derpy "Because if stock -> stock (backu"> You already tried?
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derpy
Nope, I don't have another device to try on...
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derpy
Is using gmail in Vanadium not recommended?
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derpy
(quick question; not changing the subject:)
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theultron[m]
<derpy "Is using gmail in Vanadium not r"> You can use. No problem.
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
<sinenomine[m] "> <@za_vilfp8kn0pcyh-tfcfvapg77a"> Just delete them?
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Or if you had nothing important on apps that can't be backup-ed on Seedvault, grab the files you need and wipe
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Autopsy[m]
<derpy "Is using gmail in Vanadium not r"> Why wouldn't it be recommended?
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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derpy
incomplete functionality I guess
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theultron[m]
Does GOS use continuous trim?
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sinenomine[m]
<za_vilfp8kn0pcyh "Just delete them?"> Okay but does the delete option on the default gallery app of GrapheneOS overwrite the file's inode or does it just delete the location of the file in the file system ? I don't want it to be recoverable if some has full access to my phone.
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sinenomine[m]
someone*
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Autopsy[m]
<sinenomine[m] "Okay but does the delete option "> Set up a strong password and biometrics. If someone has access to your phone, they won't be able to recover anything without that. The Titan M chip will do its job to ensure no unauthorised access is done.
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Not sure, thus the question mark. You can wait for Android R to be ported in GOS then delete the pics then delete it im the 30-day "Recycle bin"
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derpy
Do you guys allow Vanadium to save your passwords?
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
<za_vilfp8kn0pcyh "Not sure, thus the question mark"> On picture deletion
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derpy
Do you know if 1Password X (chromium extension) can work in Vanadium?
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theultron[m]
"Glassrom uses hardware based data destruction, memory poisoning and key wrapping which are much better ways than free space wiping and can even resist cold boot and forensic based attacks" - Is the same in GOS ?
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
<derpy "Do you guys allow Vanadium to sa"> Yes
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Autopsy[m]
However... If you have the US Government chasing you and they get your phone, they can just clone the chips on your phone and continue to brute force the password until they gain access.
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
<Autopsy[m] "Set up a strong password and bio"> Also, always restart your phone when leaving it unattended
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
<Autopsy[m] "However... If you have the US Go"> If it relies on AFU or USB peripherals not really
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sinenomine[m]
<Autopsy[m] "Set up a strong password and bio"> Already did, but I could be forced to give it in certain situation, like if I'm arrested or if someone has a gun pointed to my head ??
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
we don't have evidence yet
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
that cloning the chips
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Would actually decrypt the file, along with brute forcing actually working for long passwords
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Autopsy[m]
<sinenomine[m] "Already did, but I could be forc"> If it's something you don't want someone to see, whatever that may be, death is an option, too.
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
<sinenomine[m] "Already did, but I could be forc"> Always backup, always wipe when you go out
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
They'd see nothing
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
If you want thay
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theultron[m]
* "Glassrom uses hardware based data destruction, memory poisoning and key wrapping which are much better ways than free space wiping and can even resist cold boot and forensic based attacks" - Is the same in GOS ? anupritaisno1
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
HDD file recovering, however, is another problem on its own
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Not sure if it applies on flash drives
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derpy
Think the Titan M is backdoored?
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Autopsy[m]
<sinenomine[m] "Already did, but I could be forc"> Besides, just a heads up to read the rules as this would be classed as bikeshedding.
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Autopsy[m]
GrapheneOS is rock solid and unless you give someone your credentials, they aren't getting the data. End of.
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sinenomine[m]
<za_vilfp8kn0pcyh "Always backup, always wipe when "> Yes I do backup often using strong cryptography and stenography, but in the case of my phone it would be easier if in addition to backup I could just wipe some files (just like I do on QubeOS), not my entire system every time I do something sensible on it.
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
<Autopsy[m] "Besides, just a heads up to read"> Yes.
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
* If you want that
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theultron[m]
I think GOS uses some sort of continuous data trim to prevent easy recovery of files. Wait for devs to confirm.
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
^
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derpy
soundcloud app said it wouldn't work without google services, but it seems to - FYI
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derpy
Do you guys allow Vanadium to save your passwords?
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derpy
Do you know if 1Password X (chromium extension) can work in Vanadium?
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Just use Newpipe on that
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
<derpy "Do you guys allow Vanadium to sa"> Well, no.
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Not because I don't trust it, but because I don't put all eggs in one basket.
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derpy
just curious what you guys are using for password management. 1password is a pain to use on android -> copying pasting into browser windows... The browser extension would be nice
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theultron[m]
KeepassDX.
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jpds
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Autopsy[m]
<axel72[m] "hello.. wickrme does not work wi"> Then contact the devs of Wickr and see if they can not use Google services.
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derpy
za_vilfp8kn0pcyh great now I have a zillion Youtube channels and soundcloud channels all mixed into one list :P
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
KeepassDX with its keyboard is useful
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Unlike Bitwarden promoting accessibility services in-app lol
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Just to have better auto-fill
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
The Magikeyboard on KeepassDX covers the part where you had to input additional fields, along with parts where autofill doesn't work
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
<derpy "za_vilfp8kn0pcyh-tfcfvapg77a gre"> Just backup the youtube playlist, clear data, then restore soundcloud lol
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Or separate profiles if you dont use VPN
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derpy
not gonna move off of 1password because the rest of my org is on it... until I find a self hosted one to stick with long term that supports sharing/groups
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derpy
will just use the soundcloud app... seems to join
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derpy
work*
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Or PWA?
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derpy
considering all the restaurants require QR code menus... will be a bit of a test this week with my first GrapheneOS install
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
If it has one
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derpy
"um im sorry i can't access your menu because im too... secure"
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derpy
*starves to death*
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Lol
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Probably just Play services absence problems
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derpy
What about a google play services container in another user profile that can be restricted by which app it can talk to?
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derpy
(mind you, I'm not missing google services... I'm fine so far)
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derpy
I do admit to installing whatsapp though... It is required currently... WhatsApp web only seems possible on a desktop/laptop/non-main-device.
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
<derpy "What about a google play service"> None as of the moment
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Closest one you can get is CalyxOS' build of microG
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
But not recommended at all
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
And it wont function as intended
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derpy
Will use this for a few weeks with PWAs and stuff and see how I go with productivity... So far so good
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derpy
When you're in a club and some amazing looking girl is trying to give you her # ... And you're like sorry, do you fax? ... Gonna try to sort out the contacts now with Dav5x :)
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
I'd not say that in a publicly logged channel
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
But here is a link to joining the offtopic
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
`/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org `
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
Copypaste it, remove the `s
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dudewheresmycar
hi
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dudewheresmycar
New to grapheneOS. Using it to test my curiosity. Was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction when it comes to installing apps on graphene os. Must I compile each one individually? I prefer not to use anything google.
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jpds
dudewheresmycar: You can use an app store like f-droid.org or Aurora Store
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axel72[m]
f-droid
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axel72[m]
aurora
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dudewheresmycar
yeah, I saw these both in blog posts. Went to the website for f-droid, but couldn't find any info on the proper secure way of installing f-droid. Didnt want to download it directly from the website to my phone.
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jpds
dudewheresmycar: You can do that, or sideload it from a desktop onto your phone
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jpds
The end result is the same
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dudewheresmycar
gotcha. One way isnt more secure than the other?
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jpds
No
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dudewheresmycar
what is the diff between aurora and f-droid?
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dudewheresmycar
is one more polished than the other?
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dudewheresmycar
I always prefer blob free if possible.
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jpds
f-droid is purely for open source software, aurora is a proxy to the play store
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derpy
za_vilfp8kn0pcyh was that to me? Sorry, lost most history because of everyone joining/leaving
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dudewheresmycar
but since im just testing graphine out of curiosity, its non-essential. Just a hobbyist.
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dudewheresmycar
oh gotcha. Sounds like f-droid is more up my alley then.
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derpy
F-Droid is how you avoid Google Services in like with the rest of the GrapheneOS. Aurora is how you try to download Google Play Store apps regardless.
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derpy
Is my understanding...
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
<derpy "za_vilfp8kn0pcyh-tfcfvapg77a was"> /join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org `
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
* /join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org
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derpy
Ya I got it... Just didn't think it was to me
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derpy
Because I would have said that joke on TV with my full name associated :P
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dudewheresmycar
gotcha gotcha. How good is the development for the opens source apps on f-droid? do maintainers usually keep things up to date?
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jpds
It's random depending on the app - f-droid lists the versions and release dates
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dudewheresmycar
Im curious, because i would like to assess graphene as a permanent solution or not.
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derpy
dudewheresmycar I was F-Droid made the app quality a bit more obvious like Play Store does... With stars / reviews / download estimate
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Autopsy[m]
<derpy "za_vilfp8kn0pcyh-tfcfvapg77a was"> It is just /join #grapheneos-offtopic as you're on IRC.
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derpy
wish*
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dudewheresmycar
yeah, it would definitely be nice to know how hard developers work on builds for each app in graphene. And end user reviews kind of thing.
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dudewheresmycar
Damn, looks like everyone here is using the matrix except for me. hahahahaha
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dudewheresmycar
Thanks for the tips and help guys.
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jpds
f-droid isn't directly tied to Graphene
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derpy
nah I'm using webchat because I'm a loser who hasn't had time to setup his environment properly yet
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jpds
They're open-source apps - you can see how hard developers work on them by looking at their github pages
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dudewheresmycar
do the graphene developers have any official statements about using f-droid? Does it reduce security/privacy etc. at all? Open up attack vectors or anything?
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dudewheresmycar
what kind of buldenv do you typically use derpy?
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derpy
I'll have to ask on #F-Droid why they don't have reviews
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jpds
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derpy
dudewheresmycar just got setup with Linux again after being stuck on OSX for years
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dudewheresmycar
ahh nice. Didnt realize all the apps were published on github.
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derpy
dudewheresmycar - good question, I would say F-Droid is the first place to look for apps. And if the app seems suspicious you can install it into another GOS profile
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dudewheresmycar
nice. what linux os ya using?
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derpy
void
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dudewheresmycar
im a debian guy. But tinker with everything sorta.
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derpy
Sorry to hear that hahaha
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dudewheresmycar
@derpy ok cool. Thats helpful.
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dudewheresmycar
Yah, debian pisses me off a lot.
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dudewheresmycar
i definitely want to tinker with a solid cubes rig though.
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dudewheresmycar
seems like it be a fun os to get balls deep into.
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Autopsy[m]
Guys
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dazinism
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dudewheresmycar
ahh, thanks dazinism
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dudewheresmycar
while im here, anyone got a suggestion for a good osx irc client? foss preferably?
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dudewheresmycar
cant to seem to find one that isnt an app store download
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dudewheresmycar
suppose i could build limechat from source.
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dudewheresmycar
or hexchat
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dudewheresmycar
and lastly, if I wanted to make any development contributions to graphene, woould this be a good hangout to get involved?
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derpy
ya this seems like the place for GOS dev
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dudewheresmycar
cool cool. appreciate it.
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dudewheresmycar
always looking for new hobbies when my old projects get complete.
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dudewheresmycar
alright, well maybe i will be back. Thanks for all the help derpy and co.
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dudewheresmycar
much appreciated everyone.
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dazinism
sinenomine: if you want to be really safe you need the data to always be encrypted on the device, and throw away the keys/pw after deletion
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Autopsy[m]
<dudewheresmycar "cool cool. appreciate it."> Yes, this is the place for GrapheneOS. For more informal chat, head over to #grapheneos-offtopic on freenode.
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dudewheresmycar
appreciate it Autopsy
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dazinism
you could create another user profile where you aquire and keep the data, if you delete that user profile the data isnt really recoverable
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dazinism
or use an app which aquires and keep the data encrypted, and then delete the data and delete the pw/keys
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dazinism
This is about user profiles
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dazinism
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dazinism
You could use EDS Lite for storing data
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dazinism
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dazinism
eg. you could set up a EDS lite container, then set Open Camera to save photos directly into the container.
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dazinism
Due to changes in Android 11, more and more apps are supporting the Android Storage Access Framework, which can allows you to set where they will store their data.
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cankerwort[m]
Anyone here who has used this to get GCAM running without google services on graphene?
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cankerwort[m]
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theultron[m]
Nice stuff. Does not require any permission. It just stimulate gms.
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cankerwort[m]
Seems there is already a GOS issue open on this
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cankerwort[m]
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theultron[m]
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cankerwort[m]
Very interesting. I'm aware that by using GOS the camera is often worse. But if I install this spoofing app, I can't seem to find "google camera" on the Aurora store to try it out to see the difference
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cankerwort[m]
Or is "google camera" not actually an app?
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cankerwort[m]
(I didn't try google camera on my pixel at all before jumping to graphene, so known nothing about it)
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theultron[m]
Google Camera is an app. If you don't see on Aurora store then download from apkmirror
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theultron[m]
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cankerwort[m]
Many thanks I will try this out and make some comparisons
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cankerwort[m]
I'm not really into photography at all but the main gripe I had heard with graphene was a reduction in camera quality, so I may as well see what the actual difference is
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futurenv[m]
Are there any preferred smartwatches that work decently well with GOS? I've been running a Pixel 3 since March and have everything switched over that I need, however my only remaining concern is with smartwatch compatibility mainly just for activity/fitness tracking
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Autopsy[m]
cankerwort: search for it on DuckDuckGo, find it on the play store
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Autopsy[m]
Click the link
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Autopsy[m]
Open it in Aurora
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Autopsy[m]
Profit
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Autopsy[m]
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nikitalita[m]1
just curious, what does this offer over something like open camera
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nikitalita[m]1
i've never used it
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Autopsy[m]
Google's image processing algorithms, night mode, etc etc.
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Autopsy[m]
Far superior in almost every way.
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nikitalita[m]1
mmm
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nikitalita[m]1
they bought up all these open source ML and image processing companies and then made proprietary products out of them
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t32tt23tt32tt23t
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nikitalita[m]1
so you'll be forced to use their services for anything resembling usefulness or performance
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nikitalita[m]1
futurenv: someone was asking about that earlier and someone made recommendations, look in the logs in the topic
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Autopsy[m]
futurenv: nikitalita I've mentioned it a few times now, tbh.
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cankerwort[m]
FYI this happens when I try and click the link from DDG into Aurora store
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cankerwort[m]
The apk mirror seemed to work though
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
<nikitalita[m]1 "so you'll be forced to use their"> ^^
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za_vilfp8kn0pcyh
This. It is really annoying
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nikitalita[m]1
part of this was just annoyance at the vendors for not updating their phones
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nikitalita[m]1
but most of it was to increase their reliance on google so that they didn't have wiggle room to make a break
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derpy
I installed twilight from Aurora... hopefully not dangerous :P
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derpy
for night mode
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jpds
derpy: Graphene has a built-in night mode
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derpy
doubt it goes dark enough for my taste... will look for it tho
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derpy
ah ok found it tnx
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kickstart
hello guys i get the camera app crashing
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kickstart
i pressed send report but i didn't get a confirmation that it was sent is that ok
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anupritaisno1[m]
kickstart: yeah don't worry we didn't implement the report button functionality
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kickstart
ok i'm trying help whiten my limited capabilities
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kickstart
;(
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djee737ejdd[m]
<futurenv[m] "Are there any preferred smartwat"> Samsungs watches work fine.
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trismous[m]
<futurenv[m] "Are there any preferred smartwat"> This is an offtopic, but you cam check Techlore on that topic (privacy friendly fitness tracking). The smartwatch can be considered as weak chain link. If you can get away with mechanical watch and some privacy friendly tracking app on your phone I'd consider that route.
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trismous[m]
* This is an offtopic, but you can check Techlore on that topic (privacy friendly fitness tracking). The smartwatch can be considered as weak chain link. If you can get away with mechanical watch and some privacy friendly tracking app on your phone I'd consider that route.
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applescruff_53[m
I just encountered an issue someone may be familiar with. First time I've received voice mail on the phone. I'm asked for my password. Is that the password I entered for Grapheme OS during setup?
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kickstart
what this is strange the least i can say
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applescruff_53[m
If it is I may have to reinstall Graphene OS because I used an apostrophe in my password and the phone keypad does no include one.
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futurenewsplz[m4
<Autopsy[m] "The 4 and 4XL don't have AoD. "> Do you know why the change from the previous Pixel generations?
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futurenewsplz[m4
<derpy "dudewheresmycar - good question,"> How do you make a separate GOS profile?
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derpy
futurenewsplz[m4 not sure yet - I intend to try soon for the first time
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jpds
futurenewsplz[m4: Just create a new user
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futurenewsplz[m4
Thanks derpy jpds
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Autopsy[m]
<applescruff_53[m "I just encountered an issue some"> Before your after you've called your voicemail?
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Autopsy[m]
Just tested it and left myself a rude message. No password here.
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futurenewsplz[m4
Is there a way to enable AOD if GOS doesn't come on the Pixel 4/4xl by default?
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Autopsy[m]
<futurenewsplz[m4 "Do you know why the change from "> If I remember correctly, it is something to do with it being disabled on the stock, because the Pixel 4 devices use Soli / Oslo (radar thing) detection to enable and disable the AoD as and when required. As it is proprietary, Google hasn't implemented it into the AOSP, which means we don't get it. The device maintainer (anupritaisno1) has also stated that he isn't
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Autopsy[m]
going to support it for the Pixel 4 and 4XL devices.
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Autopsy[m]
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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nickcalyx[m]
Whats AOD
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Autopsy[m]
GrapheneOS/os_issue_tracker #241 here's the GitHub issue for it, too
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futurenewsplz[m4
Thanks Autopsy. For the Pixel 4a and maybe 5 that doesn't have Soli is it likely Always on Display (AOD) will be available?
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futurenewsplz[m4
anupritaisno1: Why was AOD on the Pixel 4 hard to maintain?
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futurenewsplz[m4
Has anyone tried editing Oslo's feature flag as @Flex1911 suggested?
GrapheneOS/device_google_coral b73112b
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futurenewsplz[m4
<nickcalyx[m] "Whats AOD"> One of the best non-security related features of the Pixels 🤓
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Autopsy[m]
<nickcalyx[m] "Whats AOD"> Always on display
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nickcalyx[m]
why is that a great feature
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Autopsy[m]
<nickcalyx[m] "why is that a great feature"> Not a clue. Isn't my cup of tea at all, tbh.
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Autopsy[m]
<futurenewsplz[m4 "Has anyone tried editing Oslo's "> Don't know. If you can, give it a try?
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aragorndr[m]
<nickcalyx[m] "why is that a great feature"> It's useful when I have dirty hands
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futurenewsplz[m4
<nickcalyx[m] "why is that a great feature"> Able to read notifications (or lack of) without having to interact with phone. Cost is some battery life but it's well worth it imo
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drkw1z4rd
Anyone on Google Fi?
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futurenewsplz[m4
<drkw1z4rd "Anyone on Google Fi?"> Does Google Fi work on GrapheneOS? Am curious about this myself
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drkw1z4rd
I have no idea, haven't really been able to get a straight answer about it. I know it's not officially supported but i was hoping to find someone currently using Google Fi on GrapheneOS.
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drkw1z4rd
GrapheneOS doesn't support esims so im having a physical sim shipped to me
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drkw1z4rd
but if it doesn't work/is extremely buggy, i may have to switch providers
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drkw1z4rd
which would suck because im only paying $30 a month with fi right now lol
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drkw1z4rd
probably will ask around different tech ircs
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futurenewsplz[m4
<drkw1z4rd "GrapheneOS doesn't support esims"> I didn't know esim not supported thanks
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drkw1z4rd
yep i didnt know either until after i had already gotten GrapheneOS installed on my phone LOL, completely forgot that fi uses esim. You'll have to go onto the website and get a physical SIM shipped to you. It is free to have one shipped to you.
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futurenewsplz[m4
<drkw1z4rd "yep i didnt know either until af"> But you the Google Fi app to enable the network service right? I wonder if that's available on GrapheneOS
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futurenewsplz[m4
> <@freenode_drkw1z4rd:matrix.org> yep i didnt know either until after i had already gotten GrapheneOS installed on my phone LOL, completely forgot that fi uses esim. You'll have to go onto the website and get a physical SIM shipped to you. It is free to have one shipped to you.
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futurenewsplz[m4
* But you need the Google Fi app to enable the network service right? I wonder if that's available on GrapheneOS
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drkw1z4rd
I don't think it is unfortunately
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drkw1z4rd
im gonna try installing it through the Aurora store
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futurenewsplz[m4
<drkw1z4rd "im gonna try installing it throu"> Nice let me know how that works
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drkw1z4rd
hmm yeah the fi app just hangs
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futurenewsplz[m4
That's no good
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aragorndr[m]
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drkw1z4rd
hey i didnt even know that was a thing
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drkw1z4rd
thanks!
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faxing[m]
I've been trying all day to get Visual Voicemail working with no luck. I'm on Graphene and Mint Mobile.
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faxing[m]
Does Visual Voicemail work on Graphene and I'm just wasting my time or am I missing something?
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BalooRJ
I haven't had Visual Voicemail on Verizon for years now
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BalooRJ
wasn't sure if it was a Google Play Services or carrier issue or what. faxing how exactly do you go about enabling it? I'd be interested to hear more.
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faxing[m]
I mean my options are sort of limited but I've been just digging around in the phone app and dialing different codes and going around in settings
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faxing[m]
But it's still forcing me to dial a voicemail box to get voicemail
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faxing[m]
Any ideas?
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dcosk[m]
Hi everyone. Its possible use Vanadium out to Graphene OS?
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dcosk[m]
Thanks advance