Anyone interested in a perfect Pixel 4xl?

headgas: please take this to the off topic channel

I don't know how to go to different channels

How do I find and get to the off topic channel on Riot?

click that link? does it not work?

Nein.

which version of the riot client are you using? web? the electron app? mobile?

Mobile

Curious why it doesn't come up in global search.....?

Hmm, works for me on mobile

what is the version number that you see when you go to settings->help&about

0.9.12

yeah, that's way out of date, please update to the new version; riot is called "element" now, so you might have to search for that on whatever app store you're using

Thanks. Am signed into Element now, link still does not work.

"Not implemented yet in Element"

this is so strange; a number of people have been complaining about these links not working

brenneke: try that link

Same not implemented message

oh, wait, I see

Why does it not come up in search like GrapheneOS does?

those links don't work on mobile if you're not already in the room

brenneke: it's not listed publicly

OK....so now what?

trying to figure this out, one moment

I mostly use the desktop client

ok, I cannot figure this out; there doesn't seem to be another way to create a sharable room link

anyone else know how to do this on mobile?

I think part of the problem is that #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org is an irc bridged room

wait

Type this:

`/join`

Then copy paste:

#freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

Enter it, would probably work for older clients

yes, finally

All on same line?

`#freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org`

Yes

something a bit easier to copy and paste

`/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org`

we should just tell people to copy and paste that to join it now when they ask

Doesn't work always

oh yeah? doesn't work on some third-party clients?

'/join' has to be typed

For those client that support '/join' command

mmmm

Sometimes, it does not recognize the command

Just to be on the safe side

maybe we'd have to provide both the link and the command

Yeah

What is the best way to reinstall grapheneos? Do I need to go back to stock OS or can I just wipe everything and reflash?

Using Ubuntu

<bson989[m] "What is the best way to reinstal"> No need

Just backup, reflash

Reflashing should wipe it?

* Just backup, reflash (GrapheneOS)

bson989: also, when you're going through the instructions again, if you get confused at some place, just ask here

I'm curious to see where people are getting tripped up

Okay thank you good to know

Okay well I'm not going to attempt it tonight but Is signify what you use to verify the factory images

yes

I think that part is confusing to me because at the beginning it says obtain signify and then towards the end it wants you to verify the factory images

and now I'm realizing we totally forgot to help the guy who was asking about it last night

bson989: what OS are you using?

And I don't really understand what that is for is that basically so you know you have a legit copy

Ubuntu 20.04

it checks to see if the image's signature matches the developer

The lite version

yeah, you can get it by typing `sudo apt install signify-openbsd`

Yes I just figured that out today but it's too late now

I thought it could be done after the fact

yeah, you don't wanna skip that step

Also I'm pretty sure the first time it didn't work because of this error that they listed in troubleshooting-A common issue on Linux distributions is that they mount the default temporary file directory /tmp as tmpfs which results in it being backed by memory and swap rather than persistent storage. By default, the size is 50% of the available virtual memory. This is often not enough for the flashing process,

especially since /tmp is shared between applications and users. To use a different temporary directory if your /tmp doesn't have enough space available:

So ran this command TMPDIR="$PWD/tmp" ./flash-all.sh

bson989: that's not the case on stock ubuntu 20.04

mkdir tmp. Should I have ran this command first?

Because I left that out

yes

what happened when you ran that command?

Well it worked after that

Even though I left that first line out

Is there a way to save the progress in terminal

I thought I saved it so I could go back and see the errors but I must not have

save the progress?

Can save a log if you use something like tmux

I think the biggest problem is I haven't used Linux in a very long time and I'm rusty. I don't have access to anything past Windows 7 right now. So I just need to familiarize myself more with Linux and the terminal

This is why I asked before if just the fact that graphene is running is that proof everything installed correctly?

Because I did have a lot of unstability at first

I dunno, that might be indicative of any number of things; i personally haven't had any problems on a pixel 2 or a pixel 4

Instability*

reflashing might help, it couldn't hurt at least as long has you have everything backed up

I'm not worried about backing anything up I haven't got that far into it

It is a pixel 3

If the verifying process with signify is so easy and important then why do all the videos online skip that part

actually, can you do this in the terminal: `cat mtab | grep tmp`

ech

not that

do this in the terminal: `cat /etc/mtab | grep tmp`

Okay

and see if anything is mounted at /tmp

Well I went back to the tmp folder on my computer and nothing is in there

yeah, but I just wanna see if you actually have a memory/swap partition for "/tmp"

Okay I guess I can go fired it up real quick and check

oh, you're not on it right now?

eh, don't worry about it then; when you pick it up again later, just check that

I am now

ok

What is that character you have before grep

Does that just mean next line

Like I said I don't really know how to use terminal

|, the pipe sigil, it's on the backslash key

Got it

Command not found

Is there a space after grep

`cat /etc/mtab | grep /tmp`

copy and paste that

`cat` is used to output a file to stdout, `|` tells the previous command to pipe stdout to the following command, `grep` searches for patterns and outputs the lines that match a given pattern

`/etc/mtab` is the list of mounted file systems on the system

Okay what do you want to know

did it output anything?

I typed it both ways you told me and got two different outcomes

ok, just copy and paste the output here

Well I'm on two different devices so I have to type it

That second command came up with this

Tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,noatime 0 0

yep

That first command is a whole list of stuff

ok, you do have a memory/swap partition mounted as /tmp, so that is why you were having problems in the first place

0 looks like it's giving partition size

* ok, you do have a memory/swap partition mounted as /tmp, so that is why you were having problems in the first place (probably)

Or folder size

Okay is there a way to correct this for future

just curious, when you installed ubuntu 20.04, did you enable full disk encryption?

Yeah I was thinking about that too I thought that might have something to do with it but I can't remember

I believe so

What are the options that might help me remember

eh, its not that important

well

for this case

for security in general, it's important

Is there a way to verify that

yeah, I'm looking that up now

bson989: type `cryptsetup status`, don't press enter, press tab a couple of times, see what devices it lists

Nothing

y

Pressed tab twice

yeah, then you don't have it enabled

It just stopped after that

You're saying that means I did not run disc encryption

I think that may be why a memory/swap partition is mounted as /tmp; ubuntu may also just automatically do that for certain systems, I dunno

Yes, it doesn't look like you enabled disc encryption when you installed

Well I am on a very recent install so I could just reinstall Ubuntu if you think that would be wise

I'm not worried about losing any data

yeah, if you're intending to use this regularly, i'd do that

Do you think being lubuntu has anything to do with jt

It*

eh, probably not

the variant ubuntu versions generally don't mess with the installer

pls take this offline

okey doke

#freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

how big to set your tmpfs is not a #grapheneos issue

Is there a better place to discuss this

?

the offtopic channel that i just linked

IC

bson989[m]: are you having trouble installing graphene os?

Yes

Okay how do I get that link to work

<bson989[m] "Okay is there a way to correct t"> so now that we've confirmed that you have a tmpfs /tmp, and that you were having issues the first time when running `./flash-all.sh`, you should use the commands that are written in the guide in troubleshooting instead of just `./flash-all.sh` grapheneos.org/install#troubleshooting

So they are two separate commands

yes

btw, to join the offtopic channel on mobile, copy and paste this in the chat line and hit enter:

`/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org`

for some reason the link isn't working on mobile

`/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org`

/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

copy and paste that

I didn't realize that mobile would actually copy the `

<frenchieisverige "But there is no signify on windo"> BTW, this person is right, signify isn't on windows by default, there is no obvious way to install signify on Windows that I can see, and the installation instructions don't say how. Is there a supported way to install signify on windows?

there's this, but it seems to be pretty out of date:

yes, but it's dependent on getting a maintainer for them

<nikitalita[m]1 "/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offt"> I dont find the room in RiotX. Also tried only with#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

and this link doesn't work? #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

When i click your link (:

and the join command didn't work? I dunno then, not familiar with RiotX

<nikitalita[m]1 "and the join command didn't work"> No, what App are you using?

I'm just using the official Element clients on desktop and mobile

<futurenewsplz[m] "Cool what does a maintainer have"> a lot of technical things; i'm not a maintainer or a dev on this so i can't say exactly what, you'd have to ask them when they're around

* /join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

I've used it on both the Pixel 2 and the Pixel 4, performance is good across both

i only used the pixel 2 for normal stuff like browsing and messages, i can't speak to stuff like gaming, but I didn't notice anything like UI lag

i used retroarch on pixel 4, performance was good on that for 3d games

the main thing is that you can't use play store apps that require google play services

bson989[m]: can you send your logs

paste them in 0bin.net or something

It's difficult to say exactly what apps actually require them to be used though, and it's not always obvious; some may just complain and not show notifications, some may just break entirely.

Not off the top of my head

you can search the logs in here for apps that you're interested in though, look in the topic

for me personally, I'm just not using any proprietary apps. I'm only using open source apps, most of which I get from F-droid

the pixel 2 i was using had a busted mic

i'd recommend reading the faq and the recommended device section in particular: grapheneos.org/faq

oh, the rules link seems to be down

if you're using the desktop or web client, click this link: matrix.to/#/!NKqyWWNTlbuXwOPMCt:matrix.org

if you're on the mobile client, copy and paste this:

/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

I just tested it and it worked for me on mobile after leaving the room; try it again and make sure its correct, also try closing and reopening the app after doing it

is this ios or android?

yeah, if those things don't work, I don't know, you might wanna just temporarily use the web client on a desktop to open that link

<futurenewsplz[m] "Thanks, is Always on Display sti"> yes, always on display is available on GrapheneOS

<smashingclerk[m] "yes, always on display is availa"> No, it is device dependent.

The 4 and 4XL don't have AoD.

anyone else have client recommendations on Android?

I've tried fluffychat, but I've had problems verifying it from my desktop client

nikitalita: I've got fluffychat, it works pretty well. They've got their own Fdroid repo, which is linked, with the repo fingerprint, from the Known Repositories thread on the fdroid forum.

Has one annoying bug, where sometimes pressing delete with typing deletes all/half the message and using undo on a keyboard doesnt bring it back.

i guess ill give that another shot

@nikitalita:privacytools.io think sometimes connecting to their repo can be a bit patchy, may have to wait a bit and try again

Any recommendation to replace SMS & Voice of Google Voice - and has support to port your number?

not gonna be able to use grapheneOS unless I can receive many dual factor SMSs, which are through my google voice number

Also whats the most liked email client by GrapheneOS community... Unfortunately the recommendation not to use email is not going to work for most of us.

k9, fairemail, etc

Gonna try Simple Email based on this thread: reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/cyy1h3/fairemail_vs_k9

ah ok will try FairEmail then

What to do for SMS & Voice is the mystery

Is there a migration guide from stock android? Recommended way to migrate contacts and stuff like that?

seems like a main recommendation is voip.ms

How do we keep contacts backed up? I wanted to be able to add a contact, throw my phone in the ocean, then restore the next day and still have it...

<derpy "How do we keep contacts backed u"> Carddav service

Caldav Sync?

I use FastMail. I added my contacts to that service. I then use Dav5x to sync them using CardDAV / WebDAV.

Is there a way to quickly go pack to previous app? On my old android I believe it was double tapping on the back button...

is Dav5 is free

Or right to left if you want to go back to the app you just came from.

Holy crap that's convenient. You just made my day

you trust Dav5x?

reddit.com/r/Android/comments/86zkz…ring_wifi_passwords_from_old_device -> any thoughts on how to restore these into grapheneOS?

i don't know what to trust

thats why i'm asking

Same here... I don't know what the options are

i asked before and also was recommended EteSync

now i'm looking for metadata cleaner

<derpy "you trust Dav5x?"> Yes.

Is there a gesture or more convenient way to activate the flashlight. I'm assuming active edge doesn't work.

I mean other than just the drop-down

No.

Autopsy[m] are you a bot?

sorry I'm not able to pass turing tests very well today :P

No.

Yes.

Maybe.

so you neither confirm or deny

lool

I'm thinking No, but hard to tell sometimes

reddit.com/r/Android/comments/86zkz…ring_wifi_passwords_from_old_device -> any thoughts on how to restore these into grapheneOS? Autopsy[m]

<derpy "reddit.com/r/Android"> Do you have them already?

Autopsy[m] don't think there will be a problem exporting from the other device...

but no, not yet

Right, so can you explain your set up and what it is you want to achieve

Same as that reddit thread... Move all wifi APNs and password to my new GrapheneOS install (from stock Pixel)

<derpy "Same as that reddit thread... Mo"> On your stock Pixel, do you have the option to share WiFi with another device? It generates a QR code.

Per network? There are hundreds... I wanna keep them all

I'll reply in a bit. Just driving at the mo.

k tnx

Not texting whilst driving, btw!

How many bridges are you going under? *passes turning test* :P

Autopsy:

thanks for the swipe hint

a while ago :-)

Fennec the best firefox for greapheneOS? I just need it for one location-based app that won't work in the default browser :)

sorry i don't understnad is Fennec is an app name or person in the channel

Probably (Fennec F Droid is somewhat Un-Mozilla'd Firefox partly)?

Why not Bromite, just asking?

i couldn't find bromite in f dorid is it just me lacking skills

<kickstart "i couldn't find bromite in f dor"> You need to add the Bromite Repo in F-Droid before you can download it from there.

za_vilfp8kn0pcyh because when I typed firefox in f droid, fennec came up first...

theultron[m] za_vilfp8kn0pcyh so is bromite the recommended Firefox fork for grapheneos?

theultron[m] ^

Bromite is not Firefox. It's Chromium Fork.

oh apologies... won't work then I think

Nah, it isn't even a Firefox fork

And by grapheneos.org/faq, Firefox and its fork aren't recommended

Ya neither is "email" :P

Do you need Firefox for a particular reason?

But if it is absolutely necessary

I just need it for one location-based app that won't work in the default browser :)

You can use Firefox in a second user profile for isolation.

Fennec may work, or Firefox Nightly?

ah do you guys create a 2nd user and then install a bunch of apps using the Aurora Store? Is that safe?

<derpy "ah do you guys create a 2nd user"> Yes.

za_vilfp8kn0pcyh idk where else to get firefox than F Droid... So I only see fennec so far

<za_vilfp8kn0pcyh "Fennec may work, or Firefox Nigh"> I think Fennec removes the proprietary blobs. Nightly might have issues with certain websites.

<derpy "za_vilfp8kn0pcyh-tfcfvapg77a idk"> Use Fennec.

F Droid says "this app has features you may not life" as it often does...

I'm guessing that means proprietary software

Hi, what FLOSS tool can I install on GrapheneOS to wipe/erase files ?

<sinenomine[m] "Hi, what FLOSS tool can I instal"> Just wipe them

in settings

SSD on phones don't have the retention issues as HDD

Besides, the encryption keys on Titan M would be wiped anyways if you do so

<derpy "Per network? There are hundreds."> Once you've run through the script shown on that Reddit post, you'll get a text file with all the SSIDs and Passwords. To automatically do it, you'll have to build the app in the GitHub link, push that to GrapheneOS, then some how extract the specific SSID and password you want, perhaps using a bash script, to then generate the adb shell commands required to inject the details

over.

<za_vilfp8kn0pcyh "in settings"> In what settings ? system settings ?

or on the gallery app settings ?

<derpy "F Droid says "this app has featu"> No, it doesn't necessarily mean it is proprietary. The app itself will be open source and free of anything F Droid believe is untoward (e.g. Frost for Facebook); however, the app may use services (e.g. Facebook) which is proprietary.

Fennec worked :)

<Autopsy[m] "Once you've run through the scri"> He can also use Tasker with Autoinput in a 2nd user profile to input all wifi details. But he will need to write a set of actions for the same to happen which is time confusing. Is there any way for him to export in seedvault compliant format and then import in seedvault?

Way more work than I expected to migrate to GrapheneOS... But might as well... Would just be rough to setup everything again if I got a new phone... Perhaps the way is some full imaging of phone in case anything happens to it

You can backup using Seedvault.

> <@autopsy:privacytools.io> Once you've run through the script shown on that Reddit post, you'll get a text file with all the SSIDs and Passwords. To automatically do it, you'll have to build the app in the GitHub link, push that to GrapheneOS, then some how extract the specific SSID and password you want, perhaps using a bash script, to then generate the adb shell commands required to inject the details over.

* He can also use Tasker with Autoinput in a 2nd user profile to input all wifi details. But he will need to write a set of actions for the same to happen which is time confusing.

"GrapheneOS includes Seedvault as an OS backup service which must be explicitly enabled, and it has the option to automatically restore app data when an app is reinstalled, so it wouldn't lose track of it being the same profile."

<theultron[m] ""GrapheneOS includes Seedvault a"> I believe app has to be built into the OS. Seeing as derpy is on Stock, I'm not sure if there's a way of integrating it. Probably best to ask cdesai or nickcalyx about that, though.

yes, it has to be a system app, and signed with the platform key at the moment.

What about ADB backup? Can that backup and restore wifi networks?

there's no way to 'install it' just like any other app.

In the future there might be a way to root and install it on stock

yeah, it should be, we basically use the same underlying mechanism in seedvault.

<cdesai "In the future there might be a w"> But obviously that's no bueno on Graphene

Okay. derpy can try adb backup on stock and restoring on grapheneos. swiftforensics.com/2019/10/part-3-adb-keyvalue-backups-wifi-and.html

Soz, didn't see "on stock" lol

Autopsy[m]: well, since it's already included, that's not needed.

Yes

<cdesai "Autopsy: well, since it's alread"> Yeah, had a bit of a brain fart 😂

Hmmm I wonder why the reddit guide did not suggest restoring with adb as well - any idea?

<sinenomine[m] "In what settings ? system settin"> Yes

Because if stock -> stock (backup&restore) doesn't work, then I don't see why stock->graphene would

> <@za_vilfp8kn0pcyh-tfcfvapg77a:privacytools.io> Yes

> System > Reset

Yes but I just want to wipe some specific files not all of em ?

<derpy "Because if stock -> stock (backu"> You already tried?

Nope, I don't have another device to try on...

Is using gmail in Vanadium not recommended?

(quick question; not changing the subject:)

<derpy "Is using gmail in Vanadium not r"> You can use. No problem.

<sinenomine[m] "> <@za_vilfp8kn0pcyh-tfcfvapg77a"> Just delete them?

Or if you had nothing important on apps that can't be backup-ed on Seedvault, grab the files you need and wipe

<derpy "Is using gmail in Vanadium not r"> Why wouldn't it be recommended?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

incomplete functionality I guess

Does GOS use continuous trim?

<za_vilfp8kn0pcyh "Just delete them?"> Okay but does the delete option on the default gallery app of GrapheneOS overwrite the file's inode or does it just delete the location of the file in the file system ? I don't want it to be recoverable if some has full access to my phone.

someone*

<sinenomine[m] "Okay but does the delete option "> Set up a strong password and biometrics. If someone has access to your phone, they won't be able to recover anything without that. The Titan M chip will do its job to ensure no unauthorised access is done.

Not sure, thus the question mark. You can wait for Android R to be ported in GOS then delete the pics then delete it im the 30-day "Recycle bin"

Do you guys allow Vanadium to save your passwords?

<za_vilfp8kn0pcyh "Not sure, thus the question mark"> On picture deletion

Do you know if 1Password X (chromium extension) can work in Vanadium?

"Glassrom uses hardware based data destruction, memory poisoning and key wrapping which are much better ways than free space wiping and can even resist cold boot and forensic based attacks" - Is the same in GOS ?

<derpy "Do you guys allow Vanadium to sa"> Yes

However... If you have the US Government chasing you and they get your phone, they can just clone the chips on your phone and continue to brute force the password until they gain access.

<Autopsy[m] "Set up a strong password and bio"> Also, always restart your phone when leaving it unattended

<Autopsy[m] "However... If you have the US Go"> If it relies on AFU or USB peripherals not really

<Autopsy[m] "Set up a strong password and bio"> Already did, but I could be forced to give it in certain situation, like if I'm arrested or if someone has a gun pointed to my head ??

we don't have evidence yet

that cloning the chips

Would actually decrypt the file, along with brute forcing actually working for long passwords

<sinenomine[m] "Already did, but I could be forc"> If it's something you don't want someone to see, whatever that may be, death is an option, too.

<sinenomine[m] "Already did, but I could be forc"> Always backup, always wipe when you go out

They'd see nothing

If you want thay

* "Glassrom uses hardware based data destruction, memory poisoning and key wrapping which are much better ways than free space wiping and can even resist cold boot and forensic based attacks" - Is the same in GOS ? anupritaisno1

HDD file recovering, however, is another problem on its own

Not sure if it applies on flash drives

Think the Titan M is backdoored?

<sinenomine[m] "Already did, but I could be forc"> Besides, just a heads up to read the rules as this would be classed as bikeshedding.

GrapheneOS is rock solid and unless you give someone your credentials, they aren't getting the data. End of.

<za_vilfp8kn0pcyh "Always backup, always wipe when "> Yes I do backup often using strong cryptography and stenography, but in the case of my phone it would be easier if in addition to backup I could just wipe some files (just like I do on QubeOS), not my entire system every time I do something sensible on it.

<Autopsy[m] "Besides, just a heads up to read"> Yes.

* If you want that

I think GOS uses some sort of continuous data trim to prevent easy recovery of files. Wait for devs to confirm.

^

soundcloud app said it wouldn't work without google services, but it seems to - FYI

Do you guys allow Vanadium to save your passwords?

Do you know if 1Password X (chromium extension) can work in Vanadium?

Just use Newpipe on that

<derpy "Do you guys allow Vanadium to sa"> Well, no.

Not because I don't trust it, but because I don't put all eggs in one basket.

just curious what you guys are using for password management. 1password is a pain to use on android -> copying pasting into browser windows... The browser extension would be nice

KeepassDX.

<axel72[m] "hello.. wickrme does not work wi"> Then contact the devs of Wickr and see if they can not use Google services.

za_vilfp8kn0pcyh great now I have a zillion Youtube channels and soundcloud channels all mixed into one list :P

KeepassDX with its keyboard is useful

Unlike Bitwarden promoting accessibility services in-app lol

Just to have better auto-fill

The Magikeyboard on KeepassDX covers the part where you had to input additional fields, along with parts where autofill doesn't work

<derpy "za_vilfp8kn0pcyh-tfcfvapg77a gre"> Just backup the youtube playlist, clear data, then restore soundcloud lol

Or separate profiles if you dont use VPN

not gonna move off of 1password because the rest of my org is on it... until I find a self hosted one to stick with long term that supports sharing/groups

will just use the soundcloud app... seems to join

work*

Or PWA?

considering all the restaurants require QR code menus... will be a bit of a test this week with my first GrapheneOS install

If it has one

"um im sorry i can't access your menu because im too... secure"

*starves to death*

Lol

Probably just Play services absence problems

What about a google play services container in another user profile that can be restricted by which app it can talk to?

(mind you, I'm not missing google services... I'm fine so far)

I do admit to installing whatsapp though... It is required currently... WhatsApp web only seems possible on a desktop/laptop/non-main-device.

<derpy "What about a google play service"> None as of the moment

Closest one you can get is CalyxOS' build of microG

But not recommended at all

And it wont function as intended

Will use this for a few weeks with PWAs and stuff and see how I go with productivity... So far so good

When you're in a club and some amazing looking girl is trying to give you her # ... And you're like sorry, do you fax? ... Gonna try to sort out the contacts now with Dav5x :)

I'd not say that in a publicly logged channel

But here is a link to joining the offtopic

`/join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org `

Copypaste it, remove the `s

hi

New to grapheneOS. Using it to test my curiosity. Was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction when it comes to installing apps on graphene os. Must I compile each one individually? I prefer not to use anything google.

dudewheresmycar: You can use an app store like f-droid.org or Aurora Store

f-droid

aurora

yeah, I saw these both in blog posts. Went to the website for f-droid, but couldn't find any info on the proper secure way of installing f-droid. Didnt want to download it directly from the website to my phone.

dudewheresmycar: You can do that, or sideload it from a desktop onto your phone

The end result is the same

gotcha. One way isnt more secure than the other?

No

what is the diff between aurora and f-droid?

is one more polished than the other?

I always prefer blob free if possible.

f-droid is purely for open source software, aurora is a proxy to the play store

za_vilfp8kn0pcyh was that to me? Sorry, lost most history because of everyone joining/leaving

but since im just testing graphine out of curiosity, its non-essential. Just a hobbyist.

oh gotcha. Sounds like f-droid is more up my alley then.

F-Droid is how you avoid Google Services in like with the rest of the GrapheneOS. Aurora is how you try to download Google Play Store apps regardless.

Is my understanding...

<derpy "za_vilfp8kn0pcyh-tfcfvapg77a was"> /join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org `

* /join #freenode_#grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

Ya I got it... Just didn't think it was to me

Because I would have said that joke on TV with my full name associated :P

gotcha gotcha. How good is the development for the opens source apps on f-droid? do maintainers usually keep things up to date?

It's random depending on the app - f-droid lists the versions and release dates

Im curious, because i would like to assess graphene as a permanent solution or not.

dudewheresmycar I was F-Droid made the app quality a bit more obvious like Play Store does... With stars / reviews / download estimate

<derpy "za_vilfp8kn0pcyh-tfcfvapg77a was"> It is just /join #grapheneos-offtopic as you're on IRC.

wish*

yeah, it would definitely be nice to know how hard developers work on builds for each app in graphene. And end user reviews kind of thing.

Damn, looks like everyone here is using the matrix except for me. hahahahaha

Thanks for the tips and help guys.

f-droid isn't directly tied to Graphene

nah I'm using webchat because I'm a loser who hasn't had time to setup his environment properly yet

They're open-source apps - you can see how hard developers work on them by looking at their github pages

do the graphene developers have any official statements about using f-droid? Does it reduce security/privacy etc. at all? Open up attack vectors or anything?

what kind of buldenv do you typically use derpy?

I'll have to ask on #F-Droid why they don't have reviews

dudewheresmycar: grapheneos.org/faq#bundled-apps

dudewheresmycar just got setup with Linux again after being stuck on OSX for years

ahh nice. Didnt realize all the apps were published on github.

dudewheresmycar - good question, I would say F-Droid is the first place to look for apps. And if the app seems suspicious you can install it into another GOS profile

nice. what linux os ya using?

void

im a debian guy. But tinker with everything sorta.

Sorry to hear that hahaha

@derpy ok cool. Thats helpful.

Yah, debian pisses me off a lot.

i definitely want to tinker with a solid cubes rig though.

seems like it be a fun os to get balls deep into.

Guys

dudewheresmycar: for apps have a look at hub.libranet.de/wiki/graphene-os/wiki/Apps

ahh, thanks dazinism

while im here, anyone got a suggestion for a good osx irc client? foss preferably?

cant to seem to find one that isnt an app store download

suppose i could build limechat from source.

or hexchat

and lastly, if I wanted to make any development contributions to graphene, woould this be a good hangout to get involved?

ya this seems like the place for GOS dev

cool cool. appreciate it.

always looking for new hobbies when my old projects get complete.

alright, well maybe i will be back. Thanks for all the help derpy and co.

much appreciated everyone.

sinenomine: if you want to be really safe you need the data to always be encrypted on the device, and throw away the keys/pw after deletion

<dudewheresmycar "cool cool. appreciate it."> Yes, this is the place for GrapheneOS. For more informal chat, head over to #grapheneos-offtopic on freenode.

appreciate it Autopsy

you could create another user profile where you aquire and keep the data, if you delete that user profile the data isnt really recoverable

or use an app which aquires and keep the data encrypted, and then delete the data and delete the pw/keys

This is about user profiles

You could use EDS Lite for storing data

eg. you could set up a EDS lite container, then set Open Camera to save photos directly into the container.

Due to changes in Android 11, more and more apps are supporting the Android Storage Access Framework, which can allows you to set where they will store their data.

Anyone here who has used this to get GCAM running without google services on graphene?

Nice stuff. Does not require any permission. It just stimulate gms.

Seems there is already a GOS issue open on this

GrapheneOS/os_issue_tracker #204

BTW also read this. GrapheneOS/os_issue_tracker #255

Very interesting. I'm aware that by using GOS the camera is often worse. But if I install this spoofing app, I can't seem to find "google camera" on the Aurora store to try it out to see the difference

Or is "google camera" not actually an app?

(I didn't try google camera on my pixel at all before jumping to graphene, so known nothing about it)

Google Camera is an app. If you don't see on Aurora store then download from apkmirror

Many thanks I will try this out and make some comparisons

I'm not really into photography at all but the main gripe I had heard with graphene was a reduction in camera quality, so I may as well see what the actual difference is

Are there any preferred smartwatches that work decently well with GOS? I've been running a Pixel 3 since March and have everything switched over that I need, however my only remaining concern is with smartwatch compatibility mainly just for activity/fitness tracking

cankerwort: search for it on DuckDuckGo, find it on the play store

Click the link

Open it in Aurora

Profit

play.google.com/store/apps/details?…oogle.android.GoogleCamera&hl=en_US here's a link bc I'm nice.

just curious, what does this offer over something like open camera

i've never used it

Google's image processing algorithms, night mode, etc etc.

Far superior in almost every way.

mmm

they bought up all these open source ML and image processing companies and then made proprietary products out of them

so you'll be forced to use their services for anything resembling usefulness or performance

futurenv: someone was asking about that earlier and someone made recommendations, look in the logs in the topic

futurenv: nikitalita I've mentioned it a few times now, tbh.

FYI this happens when I try and click the link from DDG into Aurora store

The apk mirror seemed to work though

<nikitalita[m]1 "so you'll be forced to use their"> ^^

This. It is really annoying

part of this was just annoyance at the vendors for not updating their phones

but most of it was to increase their reliance on google so that they didn't have wiggle room to make a break

I installed twilight from Aurora... hopefully not dangerous :P

for night mode

derpy: Graphene has a built-in night mode

doubt it goes dark enough for my taste... will look for it tho

ah ok found it tnx

hello guys i get the camera app crashing

i pressed send report but i didn't get a confirmation that it was sent is that ok

kickstart: yeah don't worry we didn't implement the report button functionality

ok i'm trying help whiten my limited capabilities

;(

<futurenv[m] "Are there any preferred smartwat"> Samsungs watches work fine.

<futurenv[m] "Are there any preferred smartwat"> This is an offtopic, but you cam check Techlore on that topic (privacy friendly fitness tracking). The smartwatch can be considered as weak chain link. If you can get away with mechanical watch and some privacy friendly tracking app on your phone I'd consider that route.

* This is an offtopic, but you can check Techlore on that topic (privacy friendly fitness tracking). The smartwatch can be considered as weak chain link. If you can get away with mechanical watch and some privacy friendly tracking app on your phone I'd consider that route.

I just encountered an issue someone may be familiar with. First time I've received voice mail on the phone. I'm asked for my password. Is that the password I entered for Grapheme OS during setup?

what this is strange the least i can say

If it is I may have to reinstall Graphene OS because I used an apostrophe in my password and the phone keypad does no include one.

<Autopsy[m] "The 4 and 4XL don't have AoD. "> Do you know why the change from the previous Pixel generations?

<derpy "dudewheresmycar - good question,"> How do you make a separate GOS profile?

futurenewsplz[m4 not sure yet - I intend to try soon for the first time

futurenewsplz[m4: Just create a new user

Thanks derpy jpds

<applescruff_53[m "I just encountered an issue some"> Before your after you've called your voicemail?

Just tested it and left myself a rude message. No password here.

Is there a way to enable AOD if GOS doesn't come on the Pixel 4/4xl by default?

<futurenewsplz[m4 "Do you know why the change from "> If I remember correctly, it is something to do with it being disabled on the stock, because the Pixel 4 devices use Soli / Oslo (radar thing) detection to enable and disable the AoD as and when required. As it is proprietary, Google hasn't implemented it into the AOSP, which means we don't get it. The device maintainer (anupritaisno1) has also stated that he isn't

going to support it for the Pixel 4 and 4XL devices.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Whats AOD

GrapheneOS/os_issue_tracker #241 here's the GitHub issue for it, too

Thanks Autopsy. For the Pixel 4a and maybe 5 that doesn't have Soli is it likely Always on Display (AOD) will be available?

anupritaisno1: Why was AOD on the Pixel 4 hard to maintain?

Has anyone tried editing Oslo's feature flag as @Flex1911 suggested? GrapheneOS/device_google_coral b73112b

<nickcalyx[m] "Whats AOD"> One of the best non-security related features of the Pixels 🤓

<nickcalyx[m] "Whats AOD"> Always on display

why is that a great feature

<nickcalyx[m] "why is that a great feature"> Not a clue. Isn't my cup of tea at all, tbh.

<futurenewsplz[m4 "Has anyone tried editing Oslo's "> Don't know. If you can, give it a try?

<nickcalyx[m] "why is that a great feature"> It's useful when I have dirty hands

<nickcalyx[m] "why is that a great feature"> Able to read notifications (or lack of) without having to interact with phone. Cost is some battery life but it's well worth it imo

Anyone on Google Fi?

<drkw1z4rd "Anyone on Google Fi?"> Does Google Fi work on GrapheneOS? Am curious about this myself

I have no idea, haven't really been able to get a straight answer about it. I know it's not officially supported but i was hoping to find someone currently using Google Fi on GrapheneOS.

GrapheneOS doesn't support esims so im having a physical sim shipped to me

but if it doesn't work/is extremely buggy, i may have to switch providers

which would suck because im only paying $30 a month with fi right now lol

probably will ask around different tech ircs

<drkw1z4rd "GrapheneOS doesn't support esims"> I didn't know esim not supported thanks

yep i didnt know either until after i had already gotten GrapheneOS installed on my phone LOL, completely forgot that fi uses esim. You'll have to go onto the website and get a physical SIM shipped to you. It is free to have one shipped to you.

<drkw1z4rd "yep i didnt know either until af"> But you the Google Fi app to enable the network service right? I wonder if that's available on GrapheneOS

> <@freenode_drkw1z4rd:matrix.org> yep i didnt know either until after i had already gotten GrapheneOS installed on my phone LOL, completely forgot that fi uses esim. You'll have to go onto the website and get a physical SIM shipped to you. It is free to have one shipped to you.

* But you need the Google Fi app to enable the network service right? I wonder if that's available on GrapheneOS

I don't think it is unfortunately

im gonna try installing it through the Aurora store

<drkw1z4rd "im gonna try installing it throu"> Nice let me know how that works

hmm yeah the fi app just hangs

That's no good

futurenewsplz: drkw1z4rd freenode.logbot.info/?q=Google+FI&ch=grapheneos&w=a

hey i didnt even know that was a thing

thanks!

I've been trying all day to get Visual Voicemail working with no luck. I'm on Graphene and Mint Mobile.

Does Visual Voicemail work on Graphene and I'm just wasting my time or am I missing something?

I haven't had Visual Voicemail on Verizon for years now

wasn't sure if it was a Google Play Services or carrier issue or what. faxing how exactly do you go about enabling it? I'd be interested to hear more.

I mean my options are sort of limited but I've been just digging around in the phone app and dialing different codes and going around in settings

But it's still forcing me to dial a voicemail box to get voicemail

Any ideas?

Hi everyone. Its possible use Vanadium out to Graphene OS?

Thanks advance