00:00:52 vudu: did you follow the instructions? 00:01:40 What instructions? I did everything on the grapheneos website, it s not my first time installing grapheneos, mever had this issue with pixel 3a 00:02:18 no where in the instructions does it say to use `snapshot-update` 00:02:38 Only 4a gave me this error, and after cancelling snapshot-update everything could continue, only i m not sure what the command means and if i canceled something importent 00:03:03 have you tried reflashing 00:03:10 i recommand to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQkb0OAOXoc 00:03:17 thats how installed 00:03:24 maybe u had a stuck update from previous OS 00:03:36 thats how i installed* 00:03:37 remove that timont 00:03:38 I know how 2 install, never had this error before 00:03:40 timont[m]: noo thats a bad video :P 00:03:53 who so? 00:04:18 he recommends to do hacky things 00:04:29 not recommended 00:04:31 But did i cancel something important by typing this command, fastboot snapshot-update cancel? 00:05:13 vudu: you canceled some previous update 00:05:14 oh i see 00:05:16 Because now it works fine i can install the device, not sure if i broke something with the command 00:05:46 if you reflashed, it will be fine 00:06:02 it was some update that hadnt been fully applied that was blocking something 00:06:17 thats one reason to recommend fully update your phone before installing grapheneos 00:06:22 Okeyy , so i m good now 00:06:46 I did, but the android software updater is trippin 00:07:12 maybe the previous bad ROM 00:07:28 Maybe i dont know, 00:07:46 Anyone knows what the benefits are from using vpn with graphene? 00:08:24 same as vpn with any other os 00:09:22 Encrypting data, i read somewhere with vpn apps cannot leak grapheneOS to carried so they dont know that my device runs grapheneos 00:10:39 Carrier* 00:19:14 Hello, quick question, was the decision to not include Gapps in grapheneOS mainly for privacy or is there concerns about security when on the device? 00:23:15 hello analtenderloin[m, there are several reasons why Google Software Frameworks is not included in GrapheneOS: 00:23:31 The first one is that Play Services was considered to be invasive. 00:24:40 This isn't to say that it's not possible to use the factory operating system and have a Google account set up in a way that's *fairly* privacy preserving, GrapheneOS chose to go beyond the norm. 00:28:20 The second reason is because even if somehow, GrapheneOS wanted to use Play Services, we'd need to pay for them. 00:29:17 Pay for a service that can spy on you, thats amazing lol 00:30:09 vudu: that's part of how Google makes its money though. OEMs have to pay the royalties to get the rights to sell handsets with Google Play Services functionality. 00:31:52 Yeah i understand, but its still strange, it s like i m spying in a girls locker room when they shower and than ask the girls 2 pay me for it lol 00:32:01 Ha, yes, yes indeed! 00:38:08 thats a funny way to say it 01:01:25 Has anyone tried adding Google's LPA (eSIM Manager) to Graphene? 01:01:33 Dylanger: yes 01:01:45 It has a dependency on GMS 01:02:26 I thought it was already added.. 01:03:47 Calyx has it working, I don't think there are any dependencies on GMS 01:03:56 I'll have a play with it today 01:05:00 calyx is only for pixel phones right? 01:10:28 How does that prove anything? 01:12:18 "think" being the keyword, gonna have a play with it today 01:14:49 TheJollyRoger: we wouldn't have to pay for Play services but we'd need to pay for official CTS compliance testing, we'd need to comply with all the rules 01:14:59 which would rule out some of our privacy and security features - beyond just including Google apps and services 01:15:12 and we'd need to ship their version of a bunch of components via the Play Store 01:15:15 it would not be anything like GrapheneOS 01:15:39 we couldn't have features like the Sensors and Network toggles not compliant with CDD, among others 01:15:57 we couldn't make changes to a bunch of core OS components since we'd have to ship their versions of the APEXes and apps 01:16:14 TheJollyRoger: there is no royalty for shipping GMS 01:16:25 Just a bunch of legal contracts 01:16:32 shipping Play services has never been considered, it was never an option, it is completely opposed to what we want to do... 01:16:35 And those contracts can be pretty restrictive 01:16:50 And yet manufacturers manage to destroy the security model 01:16:57 we couldn't even make an ALTERNATE version of the OS with Play services because they require CDD/CTS compliance for everything you ship 01:17:09 not just what you've gotten approved for Play services / Google apps 01:27:31 strcat[m]: anupritaisno1[m] oh, I see, I see, whoops. 02:51:22 Does anyone know how to get the device into fastbootd so I can flash the super partition (system, vendor, product etc) 02:58:27 Is grapheneOS fully ready with the pixel4? I'm thinking of buying that phone specifically for this. 03:00:18 pixel 4 no prob 03:40:45 Dylanger[m]: `fastboot reboot fastboot` when in bootloader mode 03:40:48 ? 03:41:13 Will that load the device into fastbootd? 03:42:27 Dylanger[m]: yes 03:42:37 my miserable phone is in fastbootd now 03:42:39 Oh awesome 03:42:40 Cheers 04:24:41 I love that aspect of your approach. It adds so much value to me. 04:26:27 what 04:26:34 why are random people disliking? 04:26:58 wei dont agreed with your point thats why 04:27:02 yeah 04:27:29 > I love that aspect of your approach. It adds so much value to me. 04:27:29 Same here 04:27:44 what a shit poit you got there 04:27:51 * what a shit point you got there 04:28:24 what a hate here jesus 04:28:36 shut up 04:29:17 okay than 04:32:23 so i hear that there is a lsawsuit going 04:51:09 What in the world is going on here with the reactions? 04:52:08 not sure 04:52:38 shutup 04:53:26 ?? 04:53:29 Reactions were a mistake 04:53:48 no it doenst 04:53:49 They are useful for polls though. 04:53:59 Anyway this is off topic. 04:54:28 dont your there fuck up with that 04:54:31 ??? 04:54:37 what is going on??? 04:54:41 lol 04:54:43 lol 04:54:46 this funny 04:54:52 umm 04:54:54 Some people having a field day here 04:54:54 okay tihs weird 04:54:57 yup 04:55:01 is i 04:55:12 Trying to ruin the atmosphere of this room, welp. 04:55:33 stop 04:55:35 offtopic channel 04:55:40 Yeah, the room is being brigaded by trolls. 04:55:45 why? 04:55:49 come on 04:55:56 why move way? 04:56:05 ... 04:56:33 umm? 04:56:42 what is going 04:56:44 on 04:56:49 i dont know 04:57:09 This is what's going on 04:57:22 lol 04:57:39 stop 04:57:44 talking 04:57:51 a bit rude 04:57:54 lol 04:58:08 Unsure why some people all of a sudden getting negative randomly other than trolling or giving a bad impression 04:58:33 since are so many stupid people here 04:59:16 wow 04:59:25 plz stop 04:59:46 are you going to ban random people? 04:59:59 i think they are bots not sure 05:00:10 Wait, that's deviant of CDD? 05:00:17 shut up 05:00:36 No surprise that they haven't implemented those permissions upstream 05:00:36 stop being so dumb 05:00:44 There is a full scale invasion going on lol 05:01:14 fuck you 05:01:30 so bots jeuss 05:01:47 mhm 05:02:18 this is strange and funny 05:02:26 no is not 05:02:34 Banning seems the only way, honestly. 05:03:21 so many banneds 05:03:38 i dont know who is bot and not bot lol 05:03:55 A bunch of these trolls/bots/I have no idea are also in OT channel 05:04:04 wow 05:04:12 what toy mean? 05:04:28 @room mods 05:04:33 Lia: made you mod 05:04:46 what's goin on? 05:04:56 why the room @ 05:04:56 bots 05:05:01 ?? 05:05:05 ?? 05:05:08 what 05:05:13 w?? 05:05:30 Matrix needs them custom angry ping reaccs 05:05:38 shutup 05:05:42 bitch 05:05:52 Lmao 🧂 05:05:58 everyone's here, party time 05:06:06 lol 05:06:13 good that you're keeping positive, kmac_pop! 05:06:18 Glad to see it! 05:06:33 yif you dont be dudmb 05:06:37 that be friendly 05:08:01 Hi everyone. I'm just going to put the IRC channel in moderated mode for a little bit until we can get this sorted out. I apologize for the inconvenience. 05:15:40 TheJollyRoger: ban on Matrix side not IRC 05:15:52 IRC ban lets them rejoin 05:15:55 and it just repeatedly kicks 05:15:58 ban Matrix side 05:16:04 Ok. 05:16:18 did you undo moderated mode? 05:16:25 Yeah it should be undone now. 05:16:29 also use remove recent messages on Matrix too 05:16:33 for each that you ban 05:16:59 Lia (kde): can you join offtopic too 05:17:15 Sure 05:17:19 and TheJollyRoger can +o you on IRC to give mod on Matrix 05:17:24 I don't have Admin in that channel like I do here 05:17:45 TheJollyRoger: get someone to test if they can post? 05:17:48 in both 05:18:16 Sorry. Just a sec. 05:19:22 TheJollyRoger: test 05:21:05 wow, matrix moderation tools really are a nightmare :/ 05:21:39 Should have used web instead. Can't find delete recent messages option 05:21:48 Can someone tell what happen? 05:21:57 Copperhead raiding the channel again 05:21:59 standard stuff 05:22:09 Copperhead? 05:22:47 read the information on the site please 05:22:54 I already talked to you about this 05:22:56 Will do 05:23:58 But was the "raid" all bots? 05:24:08 no 05:24:21 Or group of people? 05:24:21 offtopic channel 05:26:55 wow. is this normal? absolutely unbearable. any way to boot these troublemakers out? i cant even keep up and actually had real issues to ask about but ill wait til better times. 05:27:30 jayell: just ask now 05:27:40 don't let Copperhead trolls deter you from that 05:28:05 grapheneOS devs need to upgrade there security here lol 05:28:09 overal I recommend using IRC rather than Matrix 05:28:22 they've got bigger fish to fry 05:28:29 timont: you're very close to being banned for concern trolling 05:28:30 also not sure they can do much on that front 05:28:40 Yeah, sounds like a better plan (to use IRC) 05:28:56 Woops sorry 05:29:01 For everything? or just for servers? 05:29:07 stick to on-topic conversations here please and don't cause more problems 05:29:45 Atleast im not raiding channels 05:30:21 id watch yourself though bud 05:30:34 dont want to be getting banned 05:31:00 very good to know. i have hexchat on this machine. better irc to recommend? 05:31:14 does that mean the bridge is not two way? 05:31:41 I mean what is the point if you cant talk anthing 05:32:02 But yeah sure ban me 05:32:14 timont: im gonna call your parents and tell them you need less screen time. please go away 05:32:33 timont: I've had enough of the concern trolling 05:32:40 you showed up here today, the same day people are raiding the channel 05:32:48 you've been repeatedly concern trolling since you got here 05:32:51 someone is mad 05:33:09 What? 05:33:10 lol 05:33:23 I have been herr for 8 months 05:33:33 poor guy got banned the second he sent his message lol /s 05:33:42 As right now 05:34:13 faxing: was already likely going to ban him simply for when he joined 05:34:19 timont: offtopic channel for offtopic stuff 05:34:25 moderating the channel when it's being raided is not us being draconian 05:34:45 Ah okay, I see - I was just kidding either way, though 05:35:13 Carefull or might get ban of making a joke 05:35:34 come on man let it go. 05:35:40 go to off topic or stop 05:35:47 eyyyyyyy he's gone! 05:35:49 finally 05:36:04 they're clearly a concern troll 05:36:05 Welp, and they'd talk bad behind backs, as usual. 05:36:10 all they've been doing all day 05:37:12 https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll 05:37:20 very common tactic used by Copperhead via sockpuppet accounts 05:39:42 is the default captive portal url a graphene one or a google one? 05:39:44 hey 05:39:58 it's a graphene one 05:40:12 how do i change it to google? 05:40:13 bentley: https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections covers this 05:40:17 oh, thanks 05:40:32 are you having some issue with the default? 05:40:33 https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1337605225230766080 05:40:56 njha: fixed in latest release 05:40:59 copperhead will the lawsuit better give up already 05:41:05 via using connectivitycheck.grapheneos.network 05:41:19 * copperhead will win the lawsuit better give up already 05:41:20 that's the tweet I linked to :) 05:41:21 ok earlier i asked about lack of notification dots. i have them enabled in settings for phone and signal but never see any dots after missing messages etc 05:41:41 sonerx: Copperhead's case doesn't even have a legal basis, and that's after them lying about everything 05:42:18 njha[m]: since there are few grapheneos users in my vicinity, it makes me relatively identifiable to wifi owners 05:42:34 so if there's an option i'd like to use a google url 05:42:40 that's actually a good point 🤔 05:42:46 For now I'll just have to set it this way until I get back to Matrix, just in interim, sorry strcat. 05:44:39 thanks strcat 05:46:10 Settings ➔ Network & internet ➔ Advanced ➔ Internet connectivity check doesn't seem to exist for me though 05:46:23 unless that's in the next update 05:46:30 njha: are you up-to-date 05:46:31 what version 05:46:58 What's the build number of your current OS? 05:47:00 bentley: you can use the standard URLs, https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections covers blending in with standard Android devices 05:47:07 yes, the setting worked for me. 05:47:44 2020.11.05.18 05:47:45 imagine wasting your time making new accounts and not realizing I have a way to tell it's the same people 05:47:50 njha: not current 05:48:07 njha: https://grapheneos.org/releases#changelog 05:48:27 Update your OS first, It's not available in that version 05:49:11 ah that's out of date 05:49:26 hmm OTA in settings didn't find anything 05:51:57 You guys handled that very well. Hopefully we can monitor people joining the room and get them banned quicker. That won't be the last of it. At least they were easy to spot 05:52:18 Odd. Did Seamless Update Client have Network permission granted? 05:52:19 You can do sideloading if you want to 05:53:17 yup, update client has network granted 05:54:18 Odd... Wondering if you use ProtonVPN? 05:55:20 oh wait this is awkward... I have dnd permanently on so none of the notifications show up 05:55:28 I haven't used android in years so I didn't know it did that 05:55:29 just reboot probably? 05:55:39 yeah that was it :/ 05:55:42 🤦‍♂️ 05:55:45 and btw 05:55:47 1 thing to note 05:55:59 latest release using grapheneos.network now instead of grapheneos.org for those checks 05:56:09 but the Settings app still uses the grapheneos.org URLs until next release 05:56:12 just hadn't updated that yet 05:56:31 so when you select 'GrapheneOS' there it still uses the connectivitycheck.grapheneos.org ones 05:56:33 til next release 05:56:53 atm we don't have code to migrate connectivitycheck.grapheneos.org to connectivitycheck.grapheneos.network in existing saved settings 05:56:55 we could add that 05:57:09 connectivitycheck.grapheneos.org works fine - and it can login to many captive portals fine 05:57:36 the issue is that when you use a network with a really terrible one that requires browser login instead of the OS login interface 05:57:45 the notification from the OS will pass connectivitycheck.grapheneos.org to the browser 05:57:54 and grapheneos.org has HSTS so it doesn't work 05:57:55 Ah. 05:58:06 that's why we're moving to grapheneos.network 05:58:10 just not totally done the migration 05:58:14 can use the standard URLs too though 05:58:17 that's such a weird feature though, I want my notifications to come through but not make noise 05:58:22 and instead it just hid all the notifications from me 05:58:32 That's why rebooting phones every n hours help sometimes. (For verified boot reasons, and also updates) 05:59:29 Just silent your notification sounds in settings? 05:59:46 Someone mind giving a quick summary of what’s going on? Why all the notifications? 05:59:58 some spammers came in 06:00:02 nothing of note 06:00:10 Ah 06:00:17 That’s a pain in the ass 06:00:58 njha: you can change notification channel settings 06:01:00 to not make noise 06:01:09 and yeah you can silence notifications 06:01:14 thanks, I did figure it out 06:01:16 DnD is extreme 06:01:25 I just need to get used to android again :) 06:02:45 Does Graphene use proprietary drivers? I would assume so. 06:03:01 I will admit, Matrix makes it a little _too_ easy to make accounts 06:03:11 SwankyBarbecue4: the kernel drivers are all open source 06:03:14 for Android, in general 06:03:30 firmware is generally proprietary (Qualcomm's late stage boot chain is open source though) 06:03:50 How 'bout wifi? Bluetooth? 06:03:51 and Qualcomm has an SDK that's partly open source in CAF and partly proprietary (OEMs get source, and it's widely distributed, but not actually open source) 06:04:08 SDK is the vendor libraries, etc. 06:04:14 like GPU driver library 06:05:53 Dylanger: the main issue is unlike IRC 06:06:09 there isn't a way to just ban them like *@specific_thing 06:06:15 reverse dns name or whatever 06:06:28 You can ban entire servers 06:06:29 freenode I can ban people by IP essentially 06:06:39 Ah right 06:06:41 Dylanger: they're just using matrix.org 06:06:43 I want to IP ban 06:06:45 I can't 06:06:51 Yeah fair enough 06:07:20 freenode doesn't let you use Tor unless you connect to their onion service and authenticate 06:07:22 https://freenode.net/kb/answer/chat 06:07:29 and they have a lot of anti-abuse stuff 06:07:36 notice this nearly all happens over Matrix 06:07:38 almost always 06:08:11 ideally this would just be an IRC channel TBH, too late for that now though, and if we didn't have a Matrix room, others would want to make bridged rooms 06:08:15 so don't really have a choice 06:08:23 but it makes abuse / ban evasion too easy 06:08:31 they can just keep making accounts 06:08:44 what are the moderators supposed to do? 06:08:47 it's broken. 06:09:03 Hm true 06:09:12 next time I'll just disabling joining the channel on Matrix 06:10:21 Matrix are working on fixing the issues with abuse, I exclusively use Matrix/Element haven't touched IRC for many years 06:10:33 I'm sure they're working on bettering moderation right now 06:10:51 the bridge is also really broken atm 06:10:57 they need to deploy the new version of it at least 06:10:58 for matrix.org 06:11:21 Yeah we're still on room version 1 06:11:28 Dylanger, what fixes for abuse are they making? 06:11:32 This room is vulnerable to state resets 06:11:36 Dylanger: because they created this channel 06:11:38 we didn't 06:11:51 the matrix.org bridge made this channel 06:12:01 we just used the existing channel 06:12:22 doesn't upgrading mean everyone on Matrix has to click a button to rejoin? 06:12:22 You can upgrade it, any admin can, it shouldn't break the bridge 06:12:25 that's really annoying 06:12:38 I'm not really supposed to be an admin here per the bridge 06:12:44 I asked Matrix admins to make me an admin here 06:12:47 I don't have admin in offtopic yet 06:12:55 I can't get it without manual intervention by the admins 06:13:07 the bridge may not be able to handle me upgrading the room 06:13:16 I'm not testing it here 06:13:20 has to be tested somewhere else 1st 06:13:23 Better than someone doing a state reset tho, that would totally mess this room up 06:13:35 Fair enough, just know v1 has security issues 06:14:34 upgrading the room may brick it 06:14:43 I didn't choose that they made it v1 from the start 06:14:52 the bridge making it as a v1 room makes me think it can't handle newer 06:15:12 Lemme ask around 06:15:35 matie2: just stop 06:15:41 ?? 06:15:44 what?? 06:15:54 stop raiding our channels 06:16:02 don't you have something better to do? 06:16:15 i get pay for this so no 06:16:19 paid how much 06:16:38 alot 10 euro per hour 06:16:41 Troll confirmed, his keys match the other dude 06:16:53 * Troll confirmed, his keys match the other person 06:17:15