dazinism

That is what I see currently.

RoyValentine Maybe try force stop and then see if it works

Also maybe restart the phone

Trying that now.

Still shows the same after that.

Not sure what I should be looking for in adb when navigating to the back up screen.

* `02-23 16:24:48.775 6896 6920 W Role : com.stevesoltys.seedvault not qualified for android.app.role.HOME due to missing RequiredComponent{mIntentFilterData=IntentFilterData{mAction='android.intent.action.MAIN', mCategories='[android.intent.category.HOME]', mDataScheme='null', mDataType='null'}, mPermission='null'}`

`02-23 16:26:03.452 1006 1513 E BackupManagerService: [UserID:0] Unable to get management intent from transport: Transport com.stevesoltys.seedvault.transport.ConfigurableBackupTransport not registered`

Among other similar things

`02-23 16:23:58.558 1006 4808 E BackupManagerService: [UserID:0] Unable to get management label from transport: Transport com.stevesoltys.seedvault.transport.ConfigurableBackupTransport not registered`

please file an issue on github

SeedVault or GrapheneOS?

this is an OS issue

the transport should have been registered

not sure what is going on

RoyValentine: when was the last time you updated?

RoyValentine: may be able to register via adb - hang on....

Let me find a link

hmm

we havent even pushed out that code change

RoyValentine: did you do anything funny?

or this is flashing the grapheneos without any modifications?

I flashed this with graphene without modifications back in September or something. My last backup on SeedVault happened around 12/18/2020 or sometime mid December.

when was the last time you updated the OS?

when you first moved to Graphene did you import old content with SeedVault?

What do you mean? I run syncthing to backup the local seed vault to a local network and it shows it was last backed up mid December.

I haven't done anything since installing back in September and have updates on Stable OTA.

the OTA updates, do you let it update every month?

ok.

please create an issue on github

this is something that needs to be looked at

RoyValentine: maybe see what happens using some of these seedvault-app/seedvault #77#issuecomment-696752898

Might help understand whats happening?

RoyValentine: do you use multi-user?

No I do not.

Should I try what that github comment is talking about?

RoyValentine: actually, not sure its going to help

Could try

adb shell bmgr --user 00 list transports

Sorry.... just one 0

adb shell bmgr --user 0 list transports

Expect it'll list seedvaul

➜ ~ adb shell bmgr --user 0 list transports

com.android.localtransport/.LocalTransport

Ran logcat again and saw a different fatal exception as well. Not sure if you want that info?

RoyValentine: think it should list seedvault there

adb shell bmgr --user 0 transport com.stevesoltys.seedvault.transport.ConfigurableBackupTransport

Then try listing again

RoyValentine: yeah sorry, not sure. Looking at the logcat dumps in that github issue it looks like it should list seedvault as a transport.

Yours isn't, but when you issued the set command it looks like it was already set.

* Yours isn't, but when you issued the command to select the transport its saying it was already selected

Guess best to open an issue on seedvaults github.

And not GrapheneOS? How much of the details here are applicable for a SeedVault github issue?

RoyValentine: I could be wrong, but looks more like a seedvault issue, than GrapheneOS.

I'd include the logs from before we did the adb commands

Alright. I know it is probably not great from a testing standpoint but at what point is it wrong for me to just backup and reflash my phone with the latest release and start over?

More from a typical cleaning house thing I personally do for computers as well.

Wait like a month of the ticket being open? Haha

@dazinism

Submitted an issue on SeedVault's Github: seedvault-app/seedvault #213

If you believe this is too vague or unclear from your experience then let me know.

pls also raise this in the OS

so we can track it

* dazinism an issue on SeedVault's Github: seedvault-app/seedvault #213

If you believe this is too vague or unclear from your experience then let me know.

GrapheneOS issue submitted: GrapheneOS/os_issue_tracker #463

Referencing the seedvault issue in the text as well.

RoyValentine[m]: thx

🎉

they were spamming me via PMs on IRC

while I took a nap

/mode +R

its a markov bot uni assignment gone wrong

time for the reddit posts I promised

nice

lmao

but its not them though, my other user that does not lurk this channel got spammed too

strcat You should make a central place to index all the evidences about CH attacks. Chat is extremely difficult for people to gather info, and for you to inform people. A dedicated site or github page is much easier for your users to reference or link to when discussing with non-users, and people can also help you organize evidences through a

github page.

> time for the reddit posts I promised

lol

brenneke might be this:

K thanks but main problem is not getting keyboard when switching from owner to user profile.

Have you tried waiting until the race condition is over? For me something like 25 seconds.

Race condition?

<brenneke[m] "K thanks but main problem is not"> Odd, only encountered the delay of keyboard pop up when ending session

Same to issue tracker

Better explained in the issue tracker than be me. Something like the ending of one session and the beginning of another collide.

Just switched and let sit for about a minute, no keyboard, screen touches do not bring it up......the only way is to go into power button menu then back out, keyboard then pops up every time without fail.

K not sure then. Others may have input.

When you switch user then hit Done you get keyboard just like that?

Yes. However when I go from user to owner I occasionally get the race condition. The home screen pops under for a moment, then I can put in pin after about 25 seconds.

Have to head out - one thing to check, under On-screen Keyboard its GrapheneOS keyboard.

Can you root on graphene os ?

No .

Graphene OS has verified boot , so any modifications to the file system root are either rolled back on an update/reboot or the OS wont boot at all.

does anybody know how to disable the proximity sensor?

You can toggle the sensors permission

is that the one under developer options?

which should deny sensors access to app and so the app should not be able to process or transmit any sensor data

or even communicate with sensors

June77: There is a per app sensors permission

please use that

ok

do not enable developer options as they are intended for app/system developers to test various OS conditions and how the app or OS service they are working on behaves in such conditions

Where's sedbot?

Need him rq

does it affect the overall privacy?

what?

dev options?

yeah

well , as i said they are for developers testing stuff

not for daily usage

I see

it'll probably increase attack surface

The disable sensors toggle in developer options is not a security or privacy feature

no real privacy benefit afaik

(or detriment)

Please use the user facing toggle only

so yes you may end up doing something you have no idea about and that is not a good position to be in , unless you are a developer

Even if you're a developer

Don't assume we know everything

people without a good idea of what they are doing will have no hesitation to do something even developers would hesitate to do

so if you turn off dev options will it reset everything to the default ?

that is true for a lot of things , not just software usage

June77: some get reset , some are not i am not sure which

Can anybody help this project?

?

why are you posting this here?

this is definetely off topic and not relevant to GrapheneOS

cause many people ask this in the faq

you mean that it's on the website?

yeah but it's still not relevant to GrapheneOS

FGS, fuck google services

In workprofile is it oki

nullnode: no

again, it's not relevant to GrapheneOS

Faked google play service then?

Still not relevant.

why not just stop calling it names and let it be

Why even have a dependency?

this room is not for shitting on google

I need it for the vim pay app and the satilite. App (free call)

> Faked google play service then?

check the site

> I need it for the vim pay app and the satilite. App (free call)

again, Shelter is not included in GrapheneOS

<nonie689[m] "I need it for the vim pay app an"> Won't work.

<strcat[m] "reddit.com/r/Graphen"> I'd like to emphasize the downvoted comment. It *seems* to me that a lot of bad behavior is simply attributed to the "enemy" without any real substance, which feels like we are lowering ourselves to their level. But perhaps I don't have as much information as you do to lead you to that conclusion.

i know.. should i write to satelite app?

nullnode: i am sorry if i was harsh or self-righteous but lets not just ... you know what i mean

<take_a_deep_brea "nullnode: i am sorry if i was h"> I'm sorry, but the swear is universal

I just need the satilite app gor free internationall voip

> I'd like to emphasize the downvoted comment. It _seems_ to me that a lot of bad behavior is simply attributed to the "enemy" without any real substance, which feels like we are lowering ourselves to their level. But perhaps I don't have as much information as you do to lead you to that conclusion.

he's also talking about the attacks a while ago

For*

when the trolls decided to be active for 12 hours

nscnt: it's very obvious what was happening

and kept coming

Writing to the app developer is the beat option nonie689

nscnt: they spammed the channel for over 12 hours

Are there any moderation features that folks here think matrix should add? I suppose this is actually an IRC gateway, so one would instead use moderation bots on IRC?

nscnt: they kept posting Copperhead talking points

do somebody know an alternative app?

nscnt: if people can't see that it's them, well, I don't know what to say

<nonie689[m] "do somebody know an alternative "> There are many for VoIP

nscnt: and this happens directly in response to us making 5 posts about Copperhead's bad behavior

<nonie689[m] "do somebody know an alternative "> #grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

nscnt: i downvoted it and intend to make a reply there.

I want a free one

nscnt: using sockpuppets does not excuse them from what they're doing

that is classic James tactics

What voip app do you know for international call

it's offtopic

If there is any moderation features on the matrix side, then the matrix people are usually pretty supportive, not fast but quite supportive, and some of the rest of us use matrix for work so we can have people place bounties on amtrix features and such.

<nonie689[m] "I want a free one"> Now the apps are usually free but service needs to be paid usually I believe for calling traditional phone numbers.

somenerd: Sorry

nscnt: I can post logs from their channel where they coordinate raids and harassment too

it's been offtopic from the start

nscnt: anyway I'm going to be making 5 posts on Reddit a day with evidence

until they completely drop their attacks against us

I will ask know in offtopic channel

on a day where they are not obsessively attacking us, I won't need to post

James is mad about the garbage video

Now*

Breaking his piggy bank on the social fodder campaign to compensate.

nscnt: I have proof of them coordinating it

nscnt: I am posting things 1 by 1 in separate Reddit posts and you can look at the overall posts instead of 1 by 1

yeah, he'll probably post the 12 hour raid as well

I'm also going to start posting chat logs with James from before the split with Copperhead

among other things

I'm sure you know this but matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation begins by explaining how to remove all recent messages by some user.

have had enough of their attacks on the project and it isn't going to be tolerated any longer

I know how to do that

it doesn't help much when they put obscene stuff in their names/avatars and it doesn't address them repeatedly making new accounts

removing all messages also causes massive lag

and then I can't do anything for 2 minutes while it goes

<strcat[m] "removing all messages also cause"> this should probably be reported as a bug

more concerned with other things

like Matrix kicking people who don't post to the channel for 30 days

yeah

I think I'll also make a post showing their totally desperate attempt at sweet talking @jack

among other things

here's the thing

there is so much that I could post

I will not run out

and the stuff that hits hard I will keep talking about

some stuff only needs to be mentioned once

don't plan on making multiple posts about a given raid on our channel

but when they raid our channel they can expect 1 post on both subreddits in response

that is how things are going to work from now on

every attack by them against us, we respond by talking about and showing what they are doing

I said in the post title that people should judge what happened there for themselves

what I didn't bother explaining is that this happens while they are active on Telegram, and as part of an escalation by them publicly

which I can show based on lining up the timestamps on Telegram, Twitter and with stuff like this

which demonstrates that they go through a phase of rapidly attacking us across multiple platforms in a coordinated way

it is not an isolated incident

it is 1 part of their overall attacks

do not expect me to prove every little minor thing like by evidence against a specific sockpuppet in extreme detail rather than focusing on the important things

and btw I have a script for fingerprinting their Matrix accounts so I know which ones are tied together

lmfao

that is how I knew that was a concern troll and led them into a trap

instead of taking it seriously

that's ingenious

> and btw I have a script for fingerprinting their Matrix accounts so I know which ones are tied together

wow that's cool

it's not really as clever as it seems

they are really dumb

also most people talking about "vulnerabilities" turn out to be trolling

especially here

anyway you can see when James becomes active, along with others like Max

and you can correlate activity across platforms

it is a given that when there are 12 hours of raids on our channel

we are going to have a response to it

they wasted substantial moderator time and developer time

and what people in this channel can do to prevent that happening again

is to promote both of those posts on Reddit

so that Copperhead decides that this is a bad idea and stops doing it

just upvote both posts

don't cross-post them, they aren't interesting enough for that

How do Copperhead's attacks affect others? Are ordinary users more likely to be carried to Copperhead and against GrapheneOS? It feels more like it's just people hanging out with Copperhead who want it badly enough and less because they're being deceived.

since you're aware of the manipulation, you're more resistant

true

to the outside viewer though, they may not be as resistant

ex: people in non-privsec communities

nscnt: the room has now become a place where we are holding this discussion about this , that should be enough damage in my opinion

yeah that in and of itself is damage

I'm just afraid of the low effectiveness-energy-ratio

and continuing it isn't a good idea

nscnt: they spent 12 hours raiding this channel yesterday

nscnt: they took substantial time from developers/moderators

they ruined every convo that happened then

they shut down discussion here

they stopped new people getting help

nscnt: and yes they DO trick people with their misinformation especially when pretending to be GrapheneOS users

nscnt: you have probably been tricked by them

nscnt: when I'm not here people fall for their concern trolling BS

they're good at manipulation

No, I just don't care about them ^^

like good

<nscnt[m] "No, I just don't care about them"> you can't tell

nscnt: yet I can probably find a log where you fell for their BS

they pretend like they're a good person

mh ok

and in good faith

they join the channel

pretend to be some concerned person

it's easy to fall for it

derail discussion

and then often they do something making it clear it's the same few people

unless you're quite cynical

> and then often they do something making it clear it's the same few people

yeah....

nscnt: and now we have to be really strict to avoid the channel being derailed and used to spread FUD

nscnt: that is because of them, not us

they come here and say that there's a vulnerability (even though it's unsubstantiated)

nscnt: so even just from this IRC/Matrix nonsense within our channels

I don't see how you can claim it has little impact

nscnt: and that is hardly one of the major issues, you're misrepresenting this as if it is one of the main things being talked about

nscnt: this is one of dozens of ways they find to cause harm to us

it is not one of the major ways, sure

it still has an impact

and as I said, it is going to have a response

no matter how much less serious it is than their other attacks

So does James spammers get paid per post?

nscnt: leaving it without a response leads to them continuing

If we isolate them and have people talk to them can we drain him funds?

nscnt: I think you will see that I have successfully stopped their spamming for the time being

nscnt: James will tell them to stop, and it will stop

nscnt: if you don't want it to stop then sure your plan of having me spend 12 hours a day dealing with it

and being totally quiet about what is being done

is fine

not happening sorry

if they waste even 10 minutes of my time with their BS

it is worthy of a post on Reddit

<strcat[m] "and being totally quiet about wh"> No, not at all. That's why I was referring to the effectiveness-energy-ratio.

nscnt: did you not see them raiding the channel for 12 hrs yesterday?

I think he was talking about why copperhead is doing this

but yeah, it wastes time

a LOT of time

nscnt: they want to waste my time and energy but they will stop doing it if it causes tons of harm to them

and this conversation is basically proof of that

yes

this is more of my time and energy used

dealing with people giving unwanted and uninformed advice on how to counter them

rather than actually helping to counter what they are doing

talking about it here is not effective

I want help

not advice

Yes it is

giving me advice helps Copperhead, not me

you are just using my time

you could be helping to counter what they are doing

<somenerd[m] "talking about it here is not eff"> Having public records is the most important

don't talk about it here

Identifying and documenting

<nullnode[m] "Having public records is the mos"> yes

but this isn't the correct place

talking about it here doesn't spread the news

since everyone who's read strcat's messages already know what's happening

or anyone who came here for the last few days

this isn't a productive conversation

they manipulate people by acting neutral and in good faith

I can see why people fall for their lies

this spam is to waste our time

nothing much more

This sounds like fed talk from somenerd.

Suppression of the issues.

> This sounds like fed talk from somenerd.

lol

> Suppression of the issues.

yeah I should stop as well

and move on to something actually on topic

Addressing the happenings is on topic as can be.

Until a new or existing user needs help.

preferably not this channel

it's still wasting time of des

Would you like a friend to waste his money/time/whatever doing stupid shit in general? I appreciate Daniel and just wanted to let (whoever) know what my thoughts on it are, especially because they probably aren't exclusive to me. That's why I was mentioning it. Even though I don't fully agree, I accept it. I don't know why we should stop mentioning it. You will always try to talk to your friend if he's about to do

something that you think bad or just not worth it.

* it's still wasting time of devs

I'm not saying that you're harming the project

if we continue

Why are you all telling someone else what to do?

they've succeeded

HE'S ASKING OTHER PEOPLE TO DO STUFF

I'll stop

NOT TELL HIM WHAT TO DO

people stop

Just saying.

stop

those are my first 2 posts

I am making more

nullnode: the happenings need to be addressed in the room when its happening here lol. its happening right now elsewhere . as strcat said , it does not help him if we as semi-strangers brainstorm the situation and neglect his call for help , him being an actual part of the problem at hand and has a lot more information to go on .

also, they're trying to waste our time

that was the point

continuing this means that they've achieved what they wanted to do

Him being an actual part of the problem? Go fuck yourself.

what ?

he didn't mean it like that

i meant he is one directly affected by the problem

he meant that he has more experience with the problem

than basically everyone else

Ya I'm fried for now

and i did not mean to imply anything about you

he didn't imply anything

again, unproductive convo

it'll lead to misunderstandings at some point

and not really help

<nullnode[m] "Him being an actual part of the "> ( sorry , i cant stop lol) i dont bend that way

and if the community doesn't want me spending my time on this you're all welcome to help

looking for actual help not advice

I need this whole nonsense to be over ASAP

so do your part and help make that happen

Ok

3/5 posts done now

going to do 2 more

and then it's done until they make another series of attacks on us

that is how this is going to work

* Ok, cool

my installation went through, after i had more luck with the CLI method, apparently. but at the end of the installation i got the following messages:

archive does not contain 'vendor_dlkm.img'.

archive does not contain 'vendor_other.img'.

Erasing 'userdata' OKAY [ 5.433s]

Erase successful, but not automatically formatting.

File system type raw not supported.

Erasing 'metadata' OKAY [ 0.046s]

use the web installer pls.

and dont paste chunk of texts with irc

i was a bit worried too the first time

so much so that i did a reinstall and got the same kind of messages

they left already

doesn't sound like they locked

yeah

oh well

my installation went through, after i had more luck with the CLI method, apparently. but at the end of the installation i got the following messages:

archive does not contain 'vendor_dlkm.img'.

archive does not contain 'vendor_other.img'.

Erasing 'userdata' OKAY [ 5.433s]

Erase successful, but not automatically formatting.

File system type raw not supported.

Erasing 'metadata' OKAY [ 0.046s]

wow i get it now what this is

dumb bot

take_a_deep_breath|mare: part of why web installer is better

anyway they have to actually stay in the channel if they expect a response

yeah

<strcat[m] "anyway they have to actually sta"> the bot kicked them

oh , well thats sad

Yeah, sometimes people join and don’t wait

need help

<Sigyn "** Warning: if there is any bot "> this one I think

yes

why do i get kicked here all the time when i post messages from the installation process?

you don't

you left

archive does not contain 'vendor_dlkm.img'

archive does not contain 'vendor_other.img'

File system type raw not supported.

you probably triggered freenode's spam protection

my installation went through, after i had more luck with the CLI method, apparently.

03:43:09 privacy | Erasing 'metadata' OKAY [ 0.046s]

03:43:09 <-- | privacy (5aba6543⊙d01pvd) has quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))

03:46:20 lordkartoffel | Erasing 'metadata' OKAY [ 0.046s]

03:46:20 <-- | lordkartoffel (6dc98f74⊙1211) has quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))

hulahooop: freenode kicked you for spam 2x

yea

you can't post tons of messages on irc

you have to use a pastebin site

Matrix allows people to do it and makes a pastebin link for irc

dude i just want to install graphene

hulahooop: no one is kicking you

the server kicked you automatically

hulahooop: it doesn't sound like anything went wrong, you just need to lock

hulahooop: fastboot flashing lock

accept locking, verify is says locked on the status screen

hulahooop: then start it up

should be fine

hulahooop: the CLI flashing has verbose output by default

i am now in the grapheneOS, but had these messages mentioned. apparently it did not affect the system.

hulahooop: did you lock?

yea

and lock in developer setting

hulahooop: you can verify the installation with Auditor if you want to be extra sure it's fully valid

then you are done

wow

hulahooop: but it's already passing verified boot

(y)

strcat, the verification process ran cleanly during the installation, is that still necessary now?

hulahooop: it's not necessary but it's useful to set up Auditor

either local verification or remote (or both)

Hi there, I just tried to install an app on my pixel3a with the latest version of the OS - I received a message saying: You don't have applications that can handle the file type 'application/vnd.android.package-archive', please install one to continue.

I was able to install that apk on another device running android 10 without issues.

came2complain: which app ? mind telling us the website?

briar-debug.apk - a modified version of briar

in development

probably because it is not signed

maybe

let me check and give feedback

came2complain: check this out medium.com/codespace69/how-to-insta…e-play-store-using-apk-5497a32c78a0

i am not sure how relevant this is but i searched for "application/vnd.android.package-archive" over net and got this article as one of the results

ok

other apk's work just fine

I'm sure it's because it wasn't signed

aah yes , that maybe the case

Hello, are there unofficial efforts into porting GrapheneOS onto Pocophone F1? I'm planning to do so but I'd like to know if anyone has attempted it before.

i dont think anyone has attempted that .

Alright then. Thanks!

no problem .

very strange issue - wasn't because it was not signed

I had to use th efile explorer but even there I couldn't go via the shortcut "Downloads" or "recent" I had to choose the device first and then the Download folder

only from there I could open it

Is it okay if I flash graphene on a phone that ALREADY has graphene on it? Or do I have to flash the stock ROM first? Thank you in advance ^^

rishabhksingh: there is no need to do so

So a factory reset would suffice?

yes

Alright, thank you ^^

no problem .

Hi was there an update today?

donkykong: There was no release today, no, but maybe the update was just applied after a reboot for you. Do you have a following question regarding something?

* donkykong: There was no release today, no, but maybe an older update was just applied after a reboot for you. Do you have a following question regarding something?

<nscnt[m] "donkykong: There was no release "> No no all good thanks was just wondering as it just rebooted

donkykong: Do you have automatic reboot enabled for system updates, or...?

guys, there are no wallpapers right?

its all black like the element graphene for me.

yea

<nscnt[m] "donkykong: Do you have automatic"> No auto rebot is off I did click reboot but I never clicked the update

donkykong: It automatically checks for updates, yes. Maybe it couldn't check for updates for a while and you just got it now.

<nscnt[m] "donkykong: It automatically chec"> Ah OK thx

grapheneos --> <3

And if you use multi-user: The notification only shows up in the primary (i.e. owner) user.

Will donate

bye guys

<nscnt[m] "And if you use multi-user: The n"> Yea that's why I prob just got it now 😁

<southwest[m] "Have to head out - one thing to "> Confirmed I am set this way and no other keyboard installed.

<donkykong[m] "Yea that's why I prob just got i"> same things with text messages : only rings in owner profile

zvl12: can get SMS to work in secondary profiles. Need to be using an SMS app in the main profile that supports this.

Only one I know of is Messaging, that comes bundled with GrapheneOS

Think you can use any SMS app in the secondary profile (havent tested many)

And throw the toggle for a given secondary user to get SMS and calls in the multiple user settings

*and need to

Using original Messaging : only vibrating in secondary profile...can't get it to work properly as in main profile

Think it did for me, although it was six months ago

where do i go to ask question about grapheneos

Here

oh ok lol thank u

i was able to install grapheneos just fine

. ..It was six months ago and a quick test.

my question - is there a way to toggle sound vibrate mute from notification instead of using volume button - i have a hard case that makes it very hard on pixel 4

tedlancer: can add a shortcut to the homescreen

Longpress on homescreen > widget > settings (drag it onto screen) > sound

ok gotcha

i have two more short question

is there a way to lock the phone w tap anywhere on homescreen - again trying to not use power button

i cant get audio instructions on my osmand - it says text to speech engine is disabled or something like that

i cant seem to find out where i can fix text to speech - i have looked at accessibility options

Need to add a TTS engine app

Theres rhvoice on fdroid

Install then go into android settings and enable that as your TTS engine

Oh yeah, have to download a voice in rhvoice

sorry i m still here

i m using a different thing

<dazinism "Theres rhvoice on fdroid"> ok let me try that

tedlancer: theres a way to lock also

<dazinism "tedlancer: theres a way to lock "> what is that

i want to see if i can double tap somewhere in homescreen to lock it - dont want to use buttons since my case is heavy (i have to have that bcos i break phones easily)

<dazinism "Install then go into android set"> how do i do this? i downloaded the voice from rhvoice - i m trying but cant seem to figure it out

tedlancer: in the main android settings > accessibility

For power off you can use

Search for screen saver

<dazinism "For power off you can use "> just want to lock it without power button not power off the phone

Long press that and drag it onto the home screen

Yeah sorry, thats what I mean

That gives you a homescreen icon that allows you to start the screen saver

By default the device locks 5 seconds later

Can change that in settings > security > screen lock (tap the cog)

What kind of monster case do you have???

Hello, I was in the process of installing Grapheneos via WebUSB and encountered an error while flashing the factory images. Is this the right forum for asking advice?

Yes

Great thanks. I got the error message "Error: The requested file could not be read, typically due to permission problems that have occurred after a reference to a file was acquired."

UserNickolas: make sure not to use Incognito mode

if you're doing that

it doesn't allow it to have enough storage space

UserNickolas: Incognito uses in-memory storage based on a % of system memory and it isn't enough unless you have 128GB of memory or something like that

It's not in incognito

in chrome

UserNickolas: which OS

windows 10

I checked everything should be up to date

UserNickolas: recommend closing browser, opening again

close unnecessary pages

probably a memory or storage space issue

run the download again and try again

clear some storage space if you can

ok, will the installation process start all over again pick up from where I left it?

And what should I do with in the phone that's in fastbootd?

*correction: ok, will the installation process start all over again OR pick up from where I left it?

<dazinism "Install then go into android set"> im still not able to figure this out - osmand still says tts engine not working

UserNickolas: put it back to bootloader interface

UserNickolas: the web install process is smart enough to do it though

UserNickolas: just start over with download + flashing

it's smart enough to cope

it has to start over

UserNickolas: in all likelihood the page ran out of storage space

UserNickolas: don't know why but recommend closing as much stuff as you can (in browser and outside), freeing storage space, etc.

Ok thanks, I'll try that 

👍

guess i have to close this chat as well in the process

hey guys i have a quesiton - i have installed grapheneos but not sure how i can install nordvpn on my phone to shield from my phone carrier keeping tabs on the website i visit

apparently you can download the apk from their site: nordvpn.com/download/android

however, I find them to be a very questionable service.

but what about all the trackers?

<freestar887 "however, I find them to be a ver"> what do u use instead?

waterisblue7[m] Please see the section on web browsing. grapheneos.org/usage#web-browsing

<freestar887 "waterisblue7 Please see the sect"> yes i have gone thru that

i have bromite installed on my phone

but when i m using my carrier data, i want to stay anonymous

there are other things besides browser that can leak data, no?

waterisblue7: just stop with the privacy theater stuff

focus on real privacy

well, just by using carrier data you're actually leaking your location.

read the information available on our site and other good sources

waterisblue7: enumerating badness is not a viable approach to achieving privacy or security and not how serious approaches address it

also no particular reason you have to use an app from a VPN provider to use a VPN but if you don't trust their app why are you sending all your traffic through them anyway?

not very logical

<freestar887 "well, just by using carrier data"> so how do i prevent that? i still need to use gps on my phone, look up restaurants nearby, etc.

waterisblue7[m]: please read through grapheneos.org/faq and grapheneos.org/usage

waterisblue7[m]: also GPS has little to do with this stuff

GPS does not connect to a network

ok

it doesn't transmit anything

it receives location data from satelittes

waterisblue7[m]: please read about the app sandbox and permission model

if you have not given location access to an app, it doesn't have it

<waterisblue7[m] "but when i m using my carrier da"> You are routing your traffic through a provider with unsecured servers

location data is available in more ways than GPS and it's controlled by the location permission

please just read the FAQ

anything covered there should be information you get from there

ok i'll read them carefully

thank u

GPS is receive only and there are other ways to get location such as nearby Wi-Fi networks, nearby cell towers, nearby Bluetooth devices and so on which is all controlled by the Location toggle

which is a per-app permission toggle and you have to explicitly choose to grant background access rather than only foreground

and then there's also a global toggle where when that's not enabled, even apps with the permission cannot access it

plenty of control in your hands, no reason to be concerned about GPS specifically (which again is a receive only feature) rather than location data more generally

you need to focus on choosing which data, permissions and other access to give apps

hmm

if you don't give them it, they don't have it

yeah

ok i ll read thru the faq n usage more carefully n try to understand

thank u

btw likely going to be adding another powerful releases server to deal with the influx of new users

not enough bandwidth anymore

still deciding some details on how to set it up

nice.

i couldn't find it on the faq, and i understand the tldr answer to this question is improved security, but is there any place i can read more about the specific security concerns that would come along with bundling microg or f-droid privileged?

the trans to commie pipeline: they're different

the trans to commie pipeline: F-Droid privileged extension trusts a specific F-Droid release with the ability to install apps without user consent in the background

think it's quite obvious why that should only be given to a highly robust and trustworthy app that's not really buggy

and it gives a bad user experience due to F-Droid bugs and limitations anyway

it will happily close the app you are running and F-Droid has bugs like attempting to download/install multiple times

the trans to commie pipeline: microG doesn't work from being bundled, it simply wouldn't work, that isn't enough

<strcat[m] "it will happily close the app yo"> yeah, that makes sense actually.

the trans to commie pipeline: it requires that the system tricks apps into thinking it is Play services and the upstream way of doing that is a highly damaging patch destroying the security model of the OS and breaking verified boot

the trans to commie pipeline: it can be done in a more scoped way

the trans to commie pipeline: microG is a very incomplete reimplementation of Play services without security features like certificate pinning for services or apps

it's insecure

making apps trust it as Play services opens up major security holes

and as should be obvious it's an implementation of those proprietary Google services

so the same privacy issues, and so on

the trans to commie pipeline: it is not suited to GrapheneOS at all, their approach is highly counter to ours

the trans to commie pipeline: it's also never going to be robust or reliable

i know its insecure. anything that looks and feels so hacky so deeply integrated into the phone seems destined to have issues. I was just wondering if anyone knew a good article where i could read about those security and privacy concerns.

it will always be playing catch up and perpetually being broken

that's just inherent to what they are doing: reimplementing proprietary services without support from them

they're implementing a small subset of the API

apps will continue using more of the API, moving to newer APIs, etc.

and each major release of Android it will completely break and be unavailable for months

so how is that supposed to ever fit into GrapheneOS?

we'd just end up dropping it each major release even if it wasn't unacceptable for other reasons

so how can users depend on that?

what users need is support for running without Play services from the apps which the apps are going to keep working

not hacks to temporarily get stuff working which is going to break 2 months later

how can you use a phone where the stuff you rely on keeps breaking unpredictably?

that is a dead end and I don't know why people want it so badly

that makes perfect sense and i am definitely not arguing in favor of its inclusion. i was just curious if there was a good article or paper on the vulnerabilities is all

i dont think so

I'm not really interested in making an article about stuff that's out-of-scope for inclusion in the OS for clear reasons

totally fair

people would just take it as an attack and be spiteful towards us in return

thats true

if people want stuff that's hacked together, inherently going to keep breaking over and over and involves hard-wiring proprietary services deep into the OS with special privileges and hacks... well

I do not think they want GrapheneOS in the first place

the trans to commie pipeline: I get the impression that while we talk about it frequently its not so popular and so i dont think any one has written much even listing its features

hi, can anyone help me get continue installing grapheneOS on a pixel 4a? the bootloader is unlocked, the web interface buttons don't work but I was following a youtube guide- having trouble with flash-all.bat

we looked into whether a subset of it could be usable and the answer is no

<strcat[m] "not hacks to temporarily get stu"> can't a privileged installer (like f-droid used to be) be used for the grapheneos google api caller updates?

borosblount: you need to stop following third party guides and undo everything they have told you to do

borosblount: you can't get support here until you stop following third party guides, undo everything they had you do and forget the misguided stuff they told you to do

borosblount: there are 2 choices: grapheneos.org/install/web and grapheneos.org/install/cli

<borosblount "hi, can anyone help me get conti"> Were you using an incognito tab for the web installer?

borosblount: break it up . You did not make much sense , please.

borosblount: recommend the web installer

borosblount: you need to use a supported browser

borosblount: lists supported browsers on the page

you mentioned flash-all , web installer in the same sentence lol

borosblount: use Microsoft Edge, since you already have itr

* borosblount: use Microsoft Edge, since you already have it

borosblount: step 1: remove / uninstall anything third party guides told you to get and reboot your computer to try to make sure that stuff isn't running in the background breaking connecting to the device

Absolutely- I was not using incognito. How can I undo what has been done? restart somewhere in this bootloader menu?

firefox not edge

borosblount: no I'm saying you need to undo what has been done on your computer

borosblount: that's not a supported browser, Firefox doesn't have WebUSB

use Edge

I understand, thank you

borosblount: just delete anything you got from third party guides + uninstall anything you installed, and optionally reboot if you ran anything / installed anything from them

borosblount: open up the web installer in Edge and follow it there

borosblount: should be easy

have opened it in edge, thank you very much

alternative is grapheneos.org/install/cli but web install is easier

third party guides are nearly all misguided/wrong and sometimes even dangerous

if someone isn't familiar with CLI they should be using web install anyway

we're aware the third party guides make it a lot harder for people to find the right info

Pleace add always incognito mode to Vanadium...

@strcat congrats on capping out the release server! The movement grows like wildfire.

i wouldn't say "familiar" with command line but have had to use it before

hysaag77: adding features like that atm is a low priority

for Vanadium

focus is on the OS and for Vanadium on stuff that's relevant to both browser + WebView for now

people are welcome to work on other things

and submit patches for review

Oh okey

Thank you all so much for your help. It's now installed

<strcat[m] "what users need is support for r"> so r u sayin' u won't be making a tiny grapheneos google play services reimplementation to make my banking work?

dan-is-a-bloody-: I've made it clear we aren't going to be including any actual Play services reimplementation because it is unworkable / not viable for a production OS

dan-is-a-bloody-: you can read grapheneos.org/#never-google-services

if your banking app is able to work with a stub implementation of the APIs then perhaps it could work but no guarantee they continue allowing the app to work without being able to actually use Google services

dan-is-a-bloody-: info is all on our site

no but that's what i mean the stub implementation

cuz that's what u told me in PMs

i guess im confused

dan-is-a-bloody-legend: suggest reading the section on the site

no i get the "no actual GPS" thing

i was just hoping for the stubs

dan-is-a-bloody-legend: there isn't going to be any actual implementation of Google services or other APIs if that isn't clear

its clear

it does not belong baked into the OS as something specifically privileged

yup

just the stubs pls

stubs when?

Wouldn't downloading ur banking app from aurora store work?

I do my banking on a browser but I'm just curious

ye my banking apps just refuse to work and adb debug is showing its cuz its trying to make a google play service call and fails, so a stub wud fix it

What's a stub

its like a fake door to gps

the app doesnt know the door is fake so it doesnt crash it just thinks there's no connection to gps

(google play services)

(not global positioning system)

Oh OK. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of having grapheneos in the first place?

no it doesnt cuz its just a fake door

waterisblue7: not sure what you're talking about

waterisblue7: and again you've really got the *wrong* idea of what GrapheneOS is and need to read grapheneos.org/features and grapheneos.org

you don't understand the primary purpose of the project

* you don't understand the primary purposes of the project

waterisblue7: please read grapheneos.org/#never-google-services in particular after reading the features page to understand what the project is about

* waterisblue7: please read the features page to understand what the project is about and then read grapheneos.org/#never-google-services which covers this well

Oh ok

@dazin

* dazinism Nothing really came from the seedvault issue: seedvault-app/seedvault #213

Essentially there is nothing the logs could show and thus the solution was to completely reset SeedVault via deletion of app data. Oh well.

<hysaag77[m] "Pleace add always incognito mode"> Long press on Vanadium Icon > you will see New incognito tab > drag it to your home screen. Voilà

<RoyValentine[m] "Essentially there is nothing the"> Damn, sorry it got in that state

Anything you can think that was abnormal happen before hand?

<southwest[m] "Long press on Vanadium Icon > yo"> Ohh

is there a way to globally forward socks5 traffic? not thru vanadium or firefox

bizanon[m]: sure, use a VPN service supporting it

something like a proxifier for gos

not a vpn socks

you're misunderstanding what I'm saying

the way the OS supports rerouting traffic through an app is the VPN service feature

the app does not actually have to implement a 'VPN'

oh okay

any apps like that exist right now?

yes, don't have a list tho

new releases.grapheneos.org server is live

there are 2 servers now (DNS round robin)

🤘

btw we are accepting more testers again

all supported devices. pm if interested

Hi people, I asked this question this morning re TTS. I installed RHVoice as recommended and downloaded one of the English languages.

When I go to OSMAnd n put in navigation, it still says TTS engine off or something like that. Not sure if this is the right place to ask this question...

I can't hear any navigation voice

you have to enable it as the TTS engine

not just install it

Can u please guide me how I can do that

I went into accessibility n thought I did enable it

Hello folks. Before I order my new Pixel 4a 5G, jsut wanted to verify whether the OS is now fully supporting it? ( so no beta or RC only?) I did read the FAQ and seen that it's recommended device. I've seen also that the os release for this model is marked as "Stable"

Hello p1trson[m], yes, your 4a5G will be fully supported. Make sure you download the correct image for it, which is marked with the word "Bramble."

If you attempt to flash "Sunfish" to it you will permanently damage the bootloader and wreck the phone, so make sure it says "Bramble."

cheers m8! going to order it just now ^^

Welcome aboard the ship in advance, future shipmate :)

<nullnode[m] "Anything you can think that was "> Nothing really that I can think of. I've just been on stable OTA since last year. I do run a syncthing backup task on the folder that seedvault saves to but I don't know if that would cause any issue over time. It had been working fine until December of last year.

Can someone please tell me how I can enable TTS

i want to get the voice on the gps working in osmand

i dont know what i am doing wrong

i m sure it is a simple fix

everytime i start the navigation it says TTS engine failed

I tested the TTS apps in F-droid and can't seem to get one working, getting to my workstation now to check the errors, but I'm guessing they are using older API versions

RHVoice works fine

tedlancer: did you select it as the active TTS or no

@strcat:matrix.org: I get errors with RHVoice, couldn't start TTS engine

I have heard success stories with it though

suggest reinstalling it

I'm using it with osmand, just downloaded them to test for tedlancer:

adb logs coming soon, almost home with the dog

F-Droid latest for the apps, and latest GrapheneOS build

Just tried RHS, works fine for me. Make sure it is selected as preferred engine in text to speech output in system settings.