<abumubarak:matrix.org> Only one port. OEM is unlocked. Boot loader is unlocked

<ccba:matrix.org> > <@mcalafell:matrix.org> Hi everyone. I wanted to install GrapheneOS on my Google Pixel 4a. I followed the CLI installation guide, but distracted, I made a mistake in the choice of the GrapheneOS factory image. I choosen the Google Pixel 5 one (redfin-factory-2021.05.29.09) instead of Google Pixel 4a one (sunfish-factory-2021.05.29.09).... The result is that after running the ./flash-all.sh script, I find myself wit

<ccba:matrix.org>

<ccba:matrix.org> This guy bricked his phone shortly, too

<ccba:matrix.org> > <@kausban:matrix.org> lyca/lebara need an online verification in DE at least. you gotta upload a copy of your ID

<ccba:matrix.org>

<ccba:matrix.org> Bullshit

<entry1:matrix.org> > <@abumubarak:matrix.org> Only one port. OEM is unlocked. Boot loader is unlocked

<entry1:matrix.org>

<entry1:matrix.org> Hopefully someone else can assist. I'm only familiar with the CLI method on Windows 10

<abumubarak:matrix.org> Thanks

<inteference:matrix.org> > <@ccba:matrix.org> This guy bricked his phone shortly, too

<inteference:matrix.org>

<inteference:matrix.org> So there's no way to start it?!?

<ccba:matrix.org> No

<inteference:matrix.org> How does google load the OS initially?

<ccba:matrix.org> Dunno

<ccba:matrix.org> Ask them

<inteference:matrix.org> The tutorial should definitely have a big warning about this step

<ccba:matrix.org> > <@inteference:matrix.org> The tutorial should definitely have a big warning about this step

<ccba:matrix.org>

<ccba:matrix.org> U should watch what u flash bro

<inteference:matrix.org> It's like a details that could easily be missed

<inteference:matrix.org> But yeah I should have been more catious

<inteference:matrix.org> ugh

<inteference:matrix.org> They'll let me return/replace it for sure right?

<inteference:matrix.org> just not loading

<ccba:matrix.org> Should

<ccba:matrix.org> matrix.grapheneos.org/_matrix/media…matrix.org/xFDmzuDkZhodBPJTKBwNVasu

<ccba:matrix.org> Read this

<entry1:matrix.org> > <@inteference:matrix.org> They'll let me return/replace it for sure right?

<entry1:matrix.org>

<entry1:matrix.org> Did you buy it new? You should be able to return it. Since they won't be able to turn it on, they won't be able to really say you did anything

<inteference:matrix.org> ok great

<inteference:matrix.org> thanks

<ccba:matrix.org> > <@entry1:matrix.org> Did you buy it new? You should be able to return it. Since they won't be able to turn it on, they won't be able to really say you did anything

<ccba:matrix.org>

<ccba:matrix.org> They will no for sure what happened

<inteference:matrix.org> ugh I'm so mad at myself

<inteference:matrix.org> > <@ccba:matrix.org> They will no for sure what happened

<inteference:matrix.org>

<inteference:matrix.org> what?

<ccba:matrix.org> Doesn't matter

<ccba:matrix.org> They will refund

<inteference:matrix.org> you're saying they wont return it

<inteference:matrix.org> sunfish-factory-2021.05.29.09.zip

<inteference:matrix.org> sunfish-factory-2021.05.29.09.zip.sig

<inteference:matrix.org> sunfish-ota_update-2021.05.29.09.zip

<inteference:matrix.org> so these are the right ones? what's the third one ota?

<ccba:matrix.org> Update

<inteference:matrix.org> how do I use it

<ccba:matrix.org> When u want to side load an update

<entry1:matrix.org> > <@ccba:matrix.org> They will no for sure what happened

<entry1:matrix.org>

<entry1:matrix.org> Retailer won't, Google possibly, but they won't be able to turn on the device to see.

<ccba:matrix.org> Some people never connect to the internet

<ccba:matrix.org> > <@entry1:matrix.org> Retailer won't, Google possibly, but they won't be able to turn on the device to see.

<ccba:matrix.org>

<ccba:matrix.org> Yeah I mean google

<ccba:matrix.org> > <@inteference:matrix.org> so these are the right ones? what's the third one ota?

<ccba:matrix.org>

<ccba:matrix.org> When I don't want to connect to the internet with the phone. U use this to update. Understand?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> inteference: we could put $DEVICE in the tutorial

<strcat:grapheneos.org> inteference: we try to get people to use web install who aren't familiar with it

<strcat:grapheneos.org> inteference: we could add our own check for product type in the flashing script but our focus has been our web installer, which we made

<strcat:grapheneos.org> inteference: we didn't make the flashing script for CLI install

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's Android's fastboot tool and Android's flash-all.sh script with a minor modification from us

<strcat:grapheneos.org> Google's factory images flash-all.sh works the same way as ours other than not needing to flash a custom key and not rebooting you back to the bootloader interface when it's done flashing the OS

<strcat:grapheneos.org> <p>Download the factory images for the device from <a href="/releases">the releases

<strcat:grapheneos.org> page</a>. For example, to download the 2021.04.05.20 release for the Pixel 5 (redfin):</p>

<strcat:grapheneos.org>

<strcat:grapheneos.org> <pre>curl -O releases.grapheneos.org/redfin-factory-2021.04.05.20.zip

<strcat:grapheneos.org> curl -O releases.grapheneos.org/redfin-factory-2021.04.05.20.zip.sig</pre>

<strcat:grapheneos.org> ```

<strcat:grapheneos.org> <p>Download the factory images for the device from <a href="/releases">the releases

<strcat:grapheneos.org> page</a>. For example, to download the 2021.04.05.20 release for the Pixel 5 (redfin):</p>

<strcat:grapheneos.org>

<strcat:grapheneos.org> <pre>curl -O releases.grapheneos.org/redfin-factory-2021.04.05.20.zip

<strcat:grapheneos.org> curl -O releases.grapheneos.org/redfin-factory-2021.04.05.20.zip.sig</pre>

<strcat:grapheneos.org> we do try to make it clear

<strcat:grapheneos.org> > Download the factory images for the device from the releases page. For example, to download the 2021.04.05.20 release for the Pixel 5 (redfin):

<strcat:grapheneos.org> someone is welcome to submit a patch adding a device check

<strcat:grapheneos.org> we're very busy with getting Pixel 4a (5G) and Pixel 5 kernels working properly with the new release among many other things

<strcat:grapheneos.org> we recommend the web installer for new users, it's what we wrote, and it's more robust with better error checking so it won't let you do stuff like that

<strcat:grapheneos.org> CLI install is basically the same as flashing stock OS via factory images

<strcat:grapheneos.org> GrapheneOS/grapheneos.org 19eec16

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and btw older devices prevented you from flashing the wrong stuff better, it didn't used to be possible to do that so easily

<strcat:grapheneos.org> they simplified fastboot and it doesn't check that anymore

<strcat:grapheneos.org> they simplified fastboot on the phones and it doesn't check that anymore

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I think it was clearer using an actual device name but if it leads to people bricking devices it can be changed and I just did

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's also not saying to download the 2021.04.05.20 release, it's an example

<crosschannel:tchncs.de> is this the ungoogled chromium equivalent of android roms?

<akc3n:tchncs.de> > <@crosschannel:tchncs.de> is this the ungoogled chromium equivalent of android roms?

<akc3n:tchncs.de>

<akc3n:tchncs.de> #offtopic:grapheneos.org is better suite for your question, please.

<basedmeow:matrix.org> > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> and even US gov coercing Google to sign malicious Titan M firmware that bypasses the limit does NOT bypass this for the owner account because owner account must authenticate successfully to upgrade the firmware

<basedmeow:matrix.org>

<basedmeow:matrix.org> Is the current Titan M firmware open source?

<grapheneos_user_pi:matrix.org> > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> the use case for a strong passphrase is vs. a sophisticated attacker with physical access able to compromise OS + secure element

<grapheneos_user_pi:matrix.org>

<grapheneos_user_pi:matrix.org> regarding the whole conversation

<grapheneos_user_pi:matrix.org> Google needs to CHILL OUT

<grapheneos_user_pi:matrix.org> Google needs to CHILL

<grapheneos_user_pi:matrix.org> the security features are so well done

<medwa:matrix.org> To confirm, GrapheneOS will not work with a Verizon-model Pixel 4a even if the contract is fully paid off and the device is "unlocked", correct?

<leeya:kde.org> Iirc, yes

<leeya:kde.org> You'd be not able to toggle OEM unock in the first place

<leeya:kde.org> You'd be not able to toggle OEM unlock in the first place

<akc3n:tchncs.de> > <@medwa:matrix.org> To confirm, GrapheneOS will not work with a Verizon-model Pixel 4a even if the contract is fully paid off and the device is "unlocked", correct?

<akc3n:tchncs.de>

<akc3n:tchncs.de> Side note: freenode.logbot.info/grapheneos/20210401#c7470860

<akc3n:tchncs.de> Explains it in that logged discussion if you'd like more info.

<medwa:matrix.org> That's unfortunate, but thank you.

<chile09:matrix.org> Will a device running GrapheneOS still be susceptible to discovery via a wireless tool like Kismet?

<go7d13z:matrix.org> Best VPN or proxies for Graphene OS ?

<go7d13z:matrix.org> Anyone?

<go7d13z:matrix.org> I currently use mullvad

<marcushartman:matrix.org> > <@go7d13z:matrix.org> Best VPN or proxies for Graphene OS ?

<marcushartman:matrix.org>

<marcushartman:matrix.org> This is off topic. Use: #offtopic:grapheneos.org

<marcushartman:matrix.org> > <@go7d13z:matrix.org> Best VPN or proxies for Graphene OS ?

<marcushartman:matrix.org>

<marcushartman:matrix.org> This is off topic. Use #offtopic:grapheneos.org

<strcat:grapheneos.org> chile09: read wi-fi privacy info on the site

<marcushartman:matrix.org> > <@go7d13z:matrix.org> Best VPN or proxies for Graphene OS ?

<marcushartman:matrix.org>

<marcushartman:matrix.org> This is off topic. Use #offtopic:grapheneos.org

<strcat:grapheneos.org> grapheneos.org/usage#wifi-privacy

<----------------:matrix.org> Is it usual not to receive an update for a couple of days? Just wondering, because I'm still on RQ2A.210505.002.2021.05.29.09

<----------------:matrix.org>

<----------------:matrix.org> I did try "Check for updates" a few hours ago.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> please read grapheneos.org/releases#about-the-releases and grapheneos.org/usage#updates

<strcat:grapheneos.org> look at the current releases listing for the stable channel on the site, assuming you're using that, and read about the release process there

<the_lone_wanderer:matrix.org> Pixel 5 and 4a (5G) still showing 2021.05.29.09 in beta. I assume this is intentional?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> yes

<strcat:grapheneos.org> releases not passing internal testing are not pushed to beta

<----------------:matrix.org> Oh, thats why. I just looked at the changelog, assuming those were pushed out. I did not notice the version listed per device was different.

<----------------:matrix.org> Sorry for bothering, I now know wich place to look at first...

<strcat:grapheneos.org> Pixel 4 (5G) and Pixel 5 releases will be substantially delayed due to issues with the new kernels

<strcat:grapheneos.org> other devices will have the new release in Beta soon and then Stable, no known issues for those

<asparagus1973:matrix.org> hi guys, latest beta: WiFi call does not work anymore

<asparagus1973:matrix.org> telecom germany

<asparagus1973:matrix.org> RQ3A.210605.005.2021.06.08.06

<asparagus1973:matrix.org> sunfish

<DzzzzzzR:matrix.org> HAL9000: if you are using beta its good to join at #testing:grapheneos.org and report issues there

<asparagus1973:matrix.org> thx for hint

<esc--:matrix.org> Hi

<ValiantThor9:telegram> Hi guys! I’m trying to install GrapheneOS on a brand-new pixel 4a using Ubuntu and chromium. I’m running into a small ‘access denied’ problem, is this an appropriate group chat where I can ask for help? Thank you

<Hulk:telegram> hi there, let me try to help you out (re @ValiantThor9: Hi guys! I’m trying to install GrapheneOS on a brand-new pixel 4a using Ubuntu and chromium. I’m running into a small ‘access denied’ problem, is this an appropriate group chat where I can ask for help? Thank you)

<Hulk:telegram> i will pm you you to provide support and keep the chat clean

<Hulk:telegram> i will pm you to provide support and keep the chat clean

<hf6-s:matrix.org> Hi guys, I'm trying to install the OS on a new Pixel 3a using Windows 10. I did everything accordingly to Techlore's installation guide ( youtu.be/gQkb0OAOXoc )

<hf6-s:matrix.org> I've been stuck for longer now at the flashing step. Every time I click flash-all, the window opens but it immediately crashes and disappears. I've already tried to find a solution online but haven't found anything useful yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated

<strcat:grapheneos.org> hf6-s: you're using a broken unofficial installation guide which is unsafe/dangerous

<strcat:grapheneos.org> hf6-s: stop doing that before you brick the device

<strcat:grapheneos.org> hf6-s: we can't provide support for it here since it's completely broken and you'll need to undo everything it had you do including fully removing/uninstalling the third party software it had you use

<strcat:grapheneos.org> you should be either using the official web installer from grapheneos.org/install/web or if you're experienced with CLI you could use the official CLI install guide from grapheneos.org/install/cli

<strcat:grapheneos.org> don't follow broken unofficial guides, especially from someone malicious who aims to harm GrapheneOS and our community rather than helping

<mkljczk:mkljczk.pl> Hi, are translation contributions accepted?

<mkljczk:mkljczk.pl> Hi, are translation PRs accepted for GrapheneOS? Noticed there is no language that has grapheneos-specific strings translated yet.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> mkljczk: we don't have a way to review them

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and we don't have infrastructure to maintain them

<strcat:grapheneos.org> if a trusted developer cannot review them, we can't apply them, they could be wrong in a harmful way

<strcat:grapheneos.org> we can't take a wiki approach to translations either

<strcat:grapheneos.org> we need proper infrastructure for it and then someone with the necessary knowledge (not just of the language, but of what the strings are trying to communicate) who is trusted to do it and someone else to review it

<strcat:grapheneos.org> there have to be at least 2 trusted people who understand it or we can't take it

<strcat:grapheneos.org> we aren't going to treat strings differently than code, they're important

<strcat:grapheneos.org> better people have an english string than an incorrect localized one

<strcat:grapheneos.org> we can't have a change that only 1 trusted person understands, and definitely not that 0 core project members understand

<strcat:grapheneos.org> we don't want a change that only 1 trusted person understands, and definitely not that 0 core project members understand

<strcat:grapheneos.org> also then, who maintains it as the original string changes?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> does it just get dropped in any monthly/major update changing it? so it's always going away, then coming back?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> doesn't seem worthwhile

<strcat:grapheneos.org> so, unless there's some serious proposal for doing this in an acceptable way, we can't do that

<strcat:grapheneos.org> our standalone apps are easier to do than the OS but it still requires 2+ people who are trusted + understand it, or 1 outsider who submits it and 1 trusted person who carefully reviews it

<strcat:grapheneos.org> if no trusted member of the project knows a language, we cannot include translations for it

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and even if they do, they cannot simply do it themselves and not have it reviewed

<strcat:grapheneos.org> someone has to review it

<bearbyte:matrix.org> How many entries does GrapheneOS store in the clipboard and for how long? Is there an auto clear clipboard after some time feature? Also is there a possibility to delete the clipboard content manually?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> there aren't multiple entries

<lelmister101:matrix.org> grapheneos.org/faq#clipboard

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's 1 clipboard

<strcat:grapheneos.org> you only have a clipboard manager if you use a keyboard providing that

<strcat:grapheneos.org> the built-in one does not

<strcat:grapheneos.org> bearbyte: you can copy something else into it and then what's in it is gone

<strcat:grapheneos.org> there's no history, no additional entries

<strcat:grapheneos.org> if you haven't switched to a keyboard with a clipboard manager you don't have that

<bearbyte:matrix.org> strcat Thank you!

<mkljczk:mkljczk.pl> > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> someone has to review it

<mkljczk:mkljczk.pl>

<mkljczk:mkljczk.pl> well, I fully understand

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and for our standalone projects vs. forks it's different

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's not really easily maintainable for forks

<strcat:grapheneos.org> so, for example, if we wanted German translations for Auditor, we need someone to do it, who knows what they're doing and fully understands Auditor

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and what those strings are supposed to communicate, the tone of them, etc.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and then we need someone else, who is *trusted* to review it

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and then it can be merged

<strcat:grapheneos.org> but when the strings are changed, it will have to be reverted until it's updated

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it can be an incomplete translation but... then that may be problematic

<strcat:grapheneos.org> better for it to all be english than 50% german in a weird way

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I do not really think it's a good use of our resources atm

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's mostly an aesthetic thing, honestly, it's not like they're complicated strings

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's 100x harder for someone who doesn't know english well; to understand our faq, usage guide, etc.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> compared to those tiny strings

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's 100x harder for someone who doesn't know english well to understand our faq, usage guide, etc.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's also drastically harder to translate those

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I see translating those tiny strings as comparable to making minor theme improvements

<strcat:grapheneos.org> but only visible to people who use that locale

<strcat:grapheneos.org> so for example I think anyone who has figured out how to install via our guide can figure out what the MAC rand strings mean especially since nearly every language probably just calls them Wi-Fi and MAC too unless it's like French and German where they come up with their own technical terms (rare)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> they just might think it's ugly that the field for that is english and the others are in their language

<strcat:grapheneos.org> anyways, just not a priority, it's ridiculously hard to maintain good translations rather than shitty incomplete/inaccurate ones like most projects

<strcat:grapheneos.org> especially for the actual docs

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and a bad translation of important docs would be really bad

<strcat:grapheneos.org> also, it gets constantly updated, do we just revert the translation until it's redone? seems best

<strcat:grapheneos.org> so most of the time it's going to largely be in english even with an active translator?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> grapheneos.org/faq

<strcat:grapheneos.org> think about the difficulty in translating that and then keeping up with changes

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and actually doing it accurately without losing lots of subtle meaning, tone, etc.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> you have to be a security engineer with knowledge about the topics

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and know the language

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and have multiple people reviewing / editing

<strcat:grapheneos.org> that's a big project

<strcat:grapheneos.org> also the value varies

<strcat:grapheneos.org> like

<strcat:grapheneos.org> there's more value in a chinese translation than a german one, because a lot more german users will just know english well enough

<strcat:grapheneos.org> *shrug*

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and would they make their own Chinese GrapheneOS chat channels for support, etc?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> we'd basically need people who speak and write Mandarin, etc. fluently

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and then run that stuff

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and they have to actively moderate it, etc.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> keep translations up-to-date

<strcat:grapheneos.org> we'd basically need people who speak and write Mandarin/Chinese, etc. fluently

<strcat:grapheneos.org> doesn't seem that realistic to me, our community is not big enough

<strcat:grapheneos.org> we don't have funding for that

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I care about doing things right rather than half-baked in a way that does more harm than good

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I think it's better to have most people in one community speaking / reading english as a 2nd language because even with the language barrier they will get much better info/advice

<strcat:grapheneos.org> would you rather get advice from the devs in a language you barely understand but can throw into Google translate and figure out vs. random people not associated with project

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> It might be better to maintain a list of local user groups that can be contacted for help with setting up Graphene and questions in their local language. There could still be a disclaimer that the english website is the only official documentation

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> (and this chat room of course)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I don't like how a lot of open source projects just outsource their translations to some wiki site that's user generated content, essentially, and they get these really bad inaccurate / half baked translations

<strcat:grapheneos.org> often partially out-of-date with english mixed in

<strcat:grapheneos.org> since not all strings are done

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it falls behind releases too

<strcat:grapheneos.org> the ones doing it more seriously have to do "string freezes" and we *cannot* do that for the OS because we do not control the release cycle

<strcat:grapheneos.org> the ones doing it more seriously have to do "string freezes" and we _cannot_ do that for the OS because we do not (fully) control the release cycle

<strcat:grapheneos.org> really you have to do string freezes and pay professional translators to get it done properly

<strcat:grapheneos.org> even then

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I'm skeptical about trusting 1 person to do it without review

<mkljczk:mkljczk.pl> > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> would you rather get advice from the devs in a language you barely understand but can throw into Google translate and figure out vs. random people not associated with project

<mkljczk:mkljczk.pl>

<mkljczk:mkljczk.pl> well, looking at what I can read on r/grapheneos bout copperheados throwing the official docs into google translate sounds like a better idea

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's doable to some extent for our apps but not the OS or docs

<strcat:grapheneos.org> like we could have Auditor translated to say, next 4-5 most common native languages with people responsible for it

<strcat:grapheneos.org> who have to translate it when we change/add strings within a reasonable time period like 72 hours

<strcat:grapheneos.org> if not, drop it

<strcat:grapheneos.org> even then have to delay releases for 72 hours

<strcat:grapheneos.org> when adding strings or changing them

<strcat:grapheneos.org> mkljczk: basically I expect our stuff to be professional quality production software

<strcat:grapheneos.org> if we do translations, same thing

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it would be *ridiculously hard* to properly translate stuff like the FAQ

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and it's a moving target

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I don't have a good experience with this stuff from things like the Arch Wiki

<strcat:grapheneos.org> (and it's a lot more detailed / nuanced than that)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide

<strcat:grapheneos.org> wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide_(Fran%C3%A7ais)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's not the same, at all

<strcat:grapheneos.org> probably super out-of-date too

<strcat:grapheneos.org> assorted errors that aren't in the main one, I'm sure

<strcat:grapheneos.org> this doesn't work

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's harmful

<strcat:grapheneos.org> won't do translations this way

<strcat:grapheneos.org> same applies to wiki-style string updates

<bearbyte:matrix.org> Create groups of people who are willing to translate a particular language. I think let's say 5 people working on a German translation and communicating with each other would yield a much better result than a "professional translator". Just having a degree or licence in that case or whatever doesn't mean you're competent and ultimately trustworthy in what you're doing, especially translating.

<bearbyte:matrix.org>

<bearbyte:matrix.org> In my opinion native speakers passionate about this project would manage to produce a better translation than a paid professional translator alone. In addition you'd have to find a translator who actually has the technical knowledge to translate those technical therms properly.

<bearbyte:matrix.org>

<bearbyte:matrix.org> Working in a group and discussing would probably minimize mistakes and assure you as well.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> (I can read french, that's why I linked that one specifically, it's probably one of the better ones)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> (I can read french, that's why I linked that one specifically, it's probably one of the *less bad* ones)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> bearbyte: but I can look at the arch wiki and see that it doesn't work

<strcat:grapheneos.org> Arch Linux has drastically more users than GrapheneOS

<strcat:grapheneos.org> the core docs are not properly translated

<strcat:grapheneos.org> even mostly static ones

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's hard enough to maintain up-to-date docs in english

<strcat:grapheneos.org> perhaps there's significant value in these partial, out-of-date and out-of-sync translated pages but I think they cause harm too

<strcat:grapheneos.org> someone spending time on that could also be helping with other stuff like testing beta releases thoroughly, etc.

<bearbyte:matrix.org> I was talking about the FAQ and the website.

<bearbyte:matrix.org> How often does the FAQ change?

<bearbyte:matrix.org> Not too much I suppose neither does the tutorial on how to install Tue os

<bearbyte:matrix.org> Not too much I suppose neither does the tutorial on how to install the os

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> There are minute changes all the time, which makes an accurate and up to date translation quite hard to achieve

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's not so much that it changes *often* but that there are substantial changes tied to updates, etc.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> if we change something in the OS we update the FAQ with the release

<strcat:grapheneos.org> also we write release notes for each release, do those need to be translated?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> probably do, if you want the same stuff for each language

<strcat:grapheneos.org> definitely, if you want a fully translated version of the site

<strcat:grapheneos.org> not just specific pages

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I'm not delaying OS releases for translations

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's possible I would delay non-security app updates but you're going to need to make a convincing argument that development should be disrupted for it

<strcat:grapheneos.org> github.com/GrapheneOS/grapheneos.org/commits/main/static/usage.html

<strcat:grapheneos.org> you can see how fast usage.html, etc. change

<bearbyte:matrix.org> > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> also we write release notes for each release, do those need to be translated?

<bearbyte:matrix.org>

<bearbyte:matrix.org> I thought about focusing on at least the "general" parts first. Like the install guide and the about grapheneos which would be the most interesting to the broader public.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> > add extensive documentation on system navigation

<strcat:grapheneos.org> this was tied to an update, essentially

<bearbyte:matrix.org> I see

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's also in html specifically to have full control over it

<bearbyte:matrix.org> > <@bearbyte:matrix.org> I thought about focusing on at least the "general" parts first. Like the install guide and the about grapheneos which would be the most interesting to the broader public.

<bearbyte:matrix.org>

<bearbyte:matrix.org> Which would try to make it as easy as possible for complete beginners to start using grapheneos. Not sure if this is one of your goals.

<ccba:matrix.org> Would it make sense to have an 5g only mode?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> not widely available enough

<strcat:grapheneos.org> has more attack surface / complexity than 4G

<strcat:grapheneos.org> 4G is still well maintained

<strcat:grapheneos.org> 4G only mode is useful because at least in a city it's practical to actually always have it on

<ccba:matrix.org> > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> has more attack surface / complexity than 4G

<ccba:matrix.org>

<ccba:matrix.org> This is bad. So it is better to use 4g even if 5g is covered giod

<ccba:matrix.org> Good

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> Regarding translations: "PIN scrambling" alone is probably quite difficult to translate if you want a concise result. In German, you would have to rephrase it (at least I cannot come up with a literal translation right now)

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> > <@bearbyte:matrix.org> I thought about focusing on at least the "general" parts first. Like the install guide and the about grapheneos which would be the most interesting to the broader public.

<wonderfall:targaryen.house>

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> I write french articles about GrapheneOS regularly, and sometimes translating the features can be a bit awkward. :P

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> Doesn't sound right, like most technical stuff and all the scientific literature is in English.

<wonderfall:targaryen.house>

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> But nothing prevents you from making articles about GrapheneOS written in your native language. As long as you make sure to limit misinformation and redirect the interested readers to the official websites. And then everyone is happy.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> well also most languages aren't like french/german

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and they just use the english technical terms

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I doubt most languages have their own words for a lot of those things even if it's an acronym etc.

<myworld010:matrix.org> True

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> And sometimes the meaning is different

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> It's very hard

<strcat:grapheneos.org> Wi-Fi is probably just Wi-Fi, MAC is probably just MAC (despite being an acronym)

<Hulk:telegram> please send me a link Wonderfall) (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <wonderfall:targaryen.house> > <@bearbyte:matrix.org> I thought about focusing on at least the "general" parts first. Like the install guide and the about grapheneos which would be the most interesting to the broader public.

<Hulk:telegram> I write french articles about GrapheneOS regularly, and sometimes translating the features can be a bit awkward. :P

<Hulk:telegram> Doesn't sound right, like most technical stuff and all the scientific literature is in English.

<Hulk:telegram> But nothing prevents you from making articles about GrapheneOS written in your native language. As long as you make sure to limit misinformation and redirect the interested readers to the official websites. And then everyone is happy.)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> (and despite Wi-Fi being based on english terms)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> french and german actually have a lot of technical words as substitutes

<strcat:grapheneos.org> (french moreso than maybe any other language? german it's more like you make up your own words...)

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> > <@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.org> <Hulk:telegram> please send me a link Wonderfall) (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <wonderfall:targaryen.house> > <@bearbyte:matrix.org> I thought about focusing on at least the "general" parts first. Like the install guide and the about grapheneos which would be the most interesting to the broader public.

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> > I write french articles about GrapheneOS regularly, and sometimes translating the features can be a bit awkward. :P

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> > Doesn't sound right, like most technical stuff and all the scientific literature is in English.

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> > But nothing prevents you from making articles about GrapheneOS written in your native language. As long as you make sure to limit misinformation and redirect the interested readers to the official websites. And then everyone is happy.)

<wonderfall:targaryen.house>

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> Like wonderfall.space/grapheneos-2021

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I guess chinese might have their own technical terms for most things but I doubt most languages do

<bearbyte:matrix.org> > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> Wi-Fi is probably just Wi-Fi, MAC is probably just MAC (despite being an acronym)

<bearbyte:matrix.org>

<bearbyte:matrix.org> Yeah true

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I have to deal with google translate of chinese security articles sometimes

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> Chinese sometimes don't bother translating their stuff :/

<bearbyte:matrix.org> > <@resist.berlin:matrix.org> Regarding translations: "PIN scrambling" alone is probably quite difficult to translate if you want a concise result. In German, you would have to rephrase it (at least I cannot come up with a literal translation right now)

<bearbyte:matrix.org>

<bearbyte:matrix.org> But for instance this. I wouldn't translate that but leave it as it is "pin scrambling" since you could consider it as a techincal term and a literate translation wouldn't make much sense or would sound weird

<strcat:grapheneos.org> there's hardly any valuable information posted in other languages than english or chinese for security stuff

<strcat:grapheneos.org> Wonderfall: well they actually have their own huge communities for things, and basically their own internet

<strcat:grapheneos.org> own versions of any major site/service

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> ah yeah

<strcat:grapheneos.org> honestly I don't see how anyone else manages to avoid using tons of english unless they cut themselves off from huge amounts of stuff

<bearbyte:matrix.org> > <@wonderfall:targaryen.house> Like wonderfall.space/grapheneos-2021

<bearbyte:matrix.org>

<bearbyte:matrix.org> Cool blog but don't understand any of it;)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> and even with chinese if they are doing technical stuff, etc. they are still much better off being able to read the english stuff

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I can still read french fairly reasonably

<strcat:grapheneos.org> from french immersion for ~9 years (i.e. do most school subjects in french)

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> that's cool

<strcat:grapheneos.org> can't speak it anymore since I've never had a single use case for that, can hardly understand spoken french anymore either

<Hulk:telegram> tnx! (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <wonderfall:targaryen.house> > <@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.org> <Hulk:telegram> please send me a link Wonderfall) (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <wonderfall:targaryen.house> > <@bearbyte:matrix.org> I thought about focusing on at least the "general" parts first. Like the install guide and the about grapheneos which would be the most interesting to the broader public.

<Hulk:telegram> > I write french articles about GrapheneOS regularly, and sometimes translating the features can be a bit awkward. :P

<Hulk:telegram> > Doesn't sound right, like most technical stuff and all the scientific literature is in English.

<Hulk:telegram> > But nothing prevents you from making articles about GrapheneOS written in your native language. As long as you make sure to limit misinformation and redirect the interested readers to the official websites. And then everyone is happy.)

<Hulk:telegram> Like wonderfall.space/grapheneos-2021)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I was fluent in french, at some lower grade level obviously

<bearbyte:matrix.org> > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> honestly I don't see how anyone else manages to avoid using tons of english unless they cut themselves off from huge amounts of stuff

<bearbyte:matrix.org>

<bearbyte:matrix.org> Or you could mention the term and in parenthesis describe the function in the native language.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> like maybe in 8th grade I spoke french as well as a 4th grader in france, lol

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> Common spoken french is very hard to keep up with. (if you'd like we could move this to off-topic anytime you want)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> dunno how it maps

<strcat:grapheneos.org> basically my brain still contains french verb conjugation rules and I can read french

<strcat:grapheneos.org> but that's about it

<strcat:grapheneos.org> Wonderfall: yeah I can't keep up with it at all or understand all the informal stuff / shortened words

<strcat:grapheneos.org> not really worth moving don't really have more to say

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I couldn't review french docs tho, just because I can mostly understand it

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> It's the opposite for me, I now sort of think in english though my native english is french

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> It's the opposite for me, I now sort of think in english though my native language is french

<wonderfall:targaryen.house> yeah I can see it

<zubilligen:matrix.org> Where are you disappearing v.ht/2eTu2

<rayh:matrix.org> Hello, love the work you've done so far with Graphene OS. I find it to be surprisingly fast on my pixel 4a ( Much faster than what comes pre-installed ). Keep-up the great work :)

<ruddo:matrix.org> > <@thepixler:matrix.org> please any1 tell me wht is it for? dont see any option. - Updater: add support for custom accent color

<ruddo:matrix.org> >

<ruddo:matrix.org>

<ruddo:matrix.org> Huh? Wtf

<leeya:kde.org> > <@thepixler:matrix.org> please any1 tell me wht is it for? dont see any option. - Updater: add support for custom accent color

<leeya:kde.org> >

<leeya:kde.org>

<leeya:kde.org> It matches the one set on Styles and Wallpapers

<leeya:kde.org> If the one used is Ocean, the Updater app will also use the Ocean color as the app's accent

<leeya:kde.org> Previously, it was coded to use just the default theme (Pixel Blue)

<kohlrabi:matrix.org> > <@wonderfall:targaryen.house> It's the opposite for me, I now sort of think in english though my native english is french

<kohlrabi:matrix.org>

<kohlrabi:matrix.org> didnt know french people could learn a second language xD

<weaslezbrothers:fairydust.space> Is there a way to contribute to translating the graphene website? Greets

<ghostsplintersix:matrix.org> Checkout the website. There's a page about that.

<afr:tchncs.de> Hello everyone. What's the latest on fake Google APIs or making tools such as microG or gApps minimally functional? I don't want Google on my phone, that's why I use GrapheneOS but it's becoming more and more difficult to run Android apps. Many have soft Google depencies for no obvious reasons and just refuse to work on phones without GSF. I'm wondering if there is anything in the pipe that could relax that a bit? I

<sb13x:matrix.org> > <@afr:tchncs.de> Hello everyone. What's the latest on fake Google APIs or making tools such as microG or gApps minimally functional? I don't want Google on my phone, that's why I use GrapheneOS but it's becoming more and more difficult to run Android apps. Many have soft Google depencies for no obvious reasons and just refuse to work on phones without GSF. I'm wondering if there is anything in the pipe that coul

<sb13x:matrix.org>

<sb13x:matrix.org> grapheneos.org/faq#google-services

<ghostsplintersix:matrix.org> 👆🏻

<afr:tchncs.de> Ok

<mb49:matrix.org> Hey guys, my phone doesnt find any OTA updates. Settings are find though. Any idea why?

<mb49:matrix.org> Hey guys, my phone doesnt find any OTA updates. Settings are fine though. Any idea why?

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> mb49: Are you on stable or beta?

<mb49:matrix.org> > <@resist.berlin:matrix.org> mb49: Are you on stable or beta?

<mb49:matrix.org>

<mb49:matrix.org> I was on beta, didnt get updates and am on beta now.

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> What version are you running?

<mb49:matrix.org> 29.05.

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> And what phone?

<mb49:matrix.org> The Pixel 4a

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> 5G or normal?

<mb49:matrix.org> The 5G

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> Everything seems to be correct: grapheneos.org/releases#bramble-beta

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> There hasn't been a newer release for that device

<mb49:matrix.org> Oh.. My bad. I just see the updates and didnt think there'd be a difference in releases. Well thank you.

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> There usually isn't, but there were some issues with the kernel on Pixel 5 and 4a 5G, so updates for those devices are delayed

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> mb49: Keep in mind that the 4a 5G is in fact more similar to the 5 than to the 4a. The naming can be misleading

<mkljczk:mkljczk.pl> > <@afr:tchncs.de> Hello everyone. What's the latest on fake Google APIs or making tools such as microG or gApps minimally functional? I don't want Google on my phone, that's why I use GrapheneOS but it's becoming more and more difficult to run Android apps. Many have soft Google depencies for no obvious reasons and just refuse to work on phones without GSF. I'm wondering if there is anything in the pipe that co

<mkljczk:mkljczk.pl>

<mkljczk:mkljczk.pl> github.com/lukaspieper/Gcam-Services-Provider

<mkljczk:mkljczk.pl> i use this to get google cam working, it's like the only useful google app

<mkljczk:mkljczk.pl> > <@weaslezbrothers:fairydust.space> Is there a way to contribute to translating the graphene website? Greets

<mkljczk:mkljczk.pl>

<mkljczk:mkljczk.pl> just scroll for a bit

<bearbyte:matrix.org> Pay attention to the gcam version as stated on github. Since I have one of the newest (8.1) this won't work and you have to use microg instead.

<bearbyte:matrix.org> > <@afr:tchncs.de> Hello everyone. What's the latest on fake Google APIs or making tools such as microG or gApps minimally functional? I don't want Google on my phone, that's why I use GrapheneOS but it's becoming more and more difficult to run Android apps. Many have soft Google depencies for no obvious reasons and just refuse to work on phones without GSF. I'm wondering if there is anything in the pipe that c

<bearbyte:matrix.org>

<bearbyte:matrix.org> Just take all permissions from microg and you should be fine.

<sb13x:matrix.org> > <@bearbyte:matrix.org> Just take all permissions from microg and you should be fine.

<sb13x:matrix.org>

<sb13x:matrix.org> Discussing non GOS apps is not permitted here needs to be taken to #grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

<bearbyte:matrix.org> > <@sb13x:matrix.org> Discussing non GOS apps is not permitted here needs to be taken to #grapheneos-offtopic:matrix.org

<bearbyte:matrix.org>

<bearbyte:matrix.org> Right it was a straight reply to the question mentioned by Afr but thx for your info anyway.

<sb13x:matrix.org> > <@bearbyte:matrix.org> Right it was a straight reply to the question mentioned by Afr but thx for your info anyway.

<sb13x:matrix.org>

<sb13x:matrix.org> It's nothing personal my dude. Made the mistake myself just paying it forward.

<bearbyte:matrix.org> > <@sb13x:matrix.org> It's nothing personal my dude. Made the mistake myself just paying it forward.

<bearbyte:matrix.org>

<bearbyte:matrix.org> Thx for mentioning that. Sorry for overreacting...

<afr:tchncs.de> mkljczk bearbyte thanks for the hints. I joined the offtopic channel if there is anything else. ☮

<Jeremy:telegram> Is it possible to disable standard activation for Sensor permission?

<bearbyte:matrix.org> Not sure if that's possible by default (don't think so) but you can work around that by specifying default runtime permissions of a work profile then adding it. Its not the most optimal solution.

<bearbyte:matrix.org> > <@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.org> <Jeremy:telegram> Is it possible to disable standard activation for Sensor permission?

<bearbyte:matrix.org>

<bearbyte:matrix.org> GrapheneOS Bridge

<tigerstripe606:matrix.org> Hello all , been using Graphene OS for about a year as a daily driver. its wonderful. Was wondering if I might be able to get some technical help ....

<tigerstripe606:matrix.org> it seems the latest update broke my USB storage. I cannot for the life of me connect a usb flash drive, and copy files back and forth anymore.... i know 100% i used to use that feature, maybe 2 months ago, I copied all my photos to USB with a OTG

<tigerstripe606:matrix.org> BTW- thanks in advance for any potential help

<strcat:grapheneos.org> unlikely anything to do with an update

<strcat:grapheneos.org> USB storage works fine across all devices, it's tested

<strcat:grapheneos.org> check the info at grapheneos.org/faq#file-transfer

<tigerstripe606:matrix.org> when I plug in any fat32 usb drive, it wont allow me to access the contents, seems like it wont mount. all the options are greyed out, and when I click let the phone manage the usb device, it always fails

<strcat:grapheneos.org> maybe you disabled USB peripherals

<tigerstripe606:matrix.org> When I plug in the drive , the system notification says "Charging connected device via usb " tap for more options

<tigerstripe606:matrix.org> there are two radio buttons, USB controlled by " connected device" or "this device"

<tigerstripe606:matrix.org> when I click "this device" it says switching, but it doesnt mount the drive

<tigerstripe606:matrix.org> then says "couldnt switch "

<strcat:grapheneos.org> please read the info there

<strcat:grapheneos.org> have you checked if you disabled USB peripherals?

<tigerstripe606:matrix.org> below those 2 radio buttons are 5 radio buttons, all greyed out , that are labeled : File transfer , USB tethering , MIDI, PTP, No data transfer

<strcat:grapheneos.org> that's not for USB peripherals

<bearbyte:matrix.org> Just plugged in a USB drive and it seems to work fine. I'm on the beta channel.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> did you check if you disabled USB peripherals?

<bearbyte:matrix.org> I can even format it.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> those modes are for when you connect the device to a computer and want to use the device as a USB peripheral

<tigerstripe606:matrix.org> its a ID10T error guys, im so sorry for wasting your time

<tigerstripe606:matrix.org> settings > security > usb settings , fixed it up

<tigerstripe606:matrix.org> **embarassed red face ***

<strcat:grapheneos.org> recommend default of allowed when unlocked

<tigerstripe606:matrix.org> Do you guys recommend using multiple on device accounts ? is there any benefit ?

<bearbyte:matrix.org> grapheneos.org/faq#encryption

<bearbyte:matrix.org> reddit.com/r/GrapheneOS/comments/g0ly0j/islandshelter_on_grapheneos

<bearbyte:matrix.org> > <@bearbyte:matrix.org> grapheneos.org/faq#encryption

<bearbyte:matrix.org>

<bearbyte:matrix.org> 5th paragraph

<strcat:grapheneos.org> we're still working on fixing up kernels for Pixel 4a (5G) and 5 with the latest release

<strcat:grapheneos.org> worst case scenario we can end up doing the release with non-hardened kernels and then do another release in a week or so to fix that

<strcat:grapheneos.org> hopefully we can just get it resolved soon

<tigerstripe606:matrix.org> .

<joe:joe.vg> Hello people. I am new to GrapheneOS (I bought a Pixel 4a 5G especially for that).

<joe:joe.vg>

<joe:joe.vg> First, thanks for giving us a privacy-friendly and secure alternative to Android!

<joe:joe.vg>

<joe:joe.vg> I have searched a lot but didn't find answers to those quick questions regarding customization (I guess the answer is no to all of them, but I am trying 😉 )

<joe:joe.vg> - Is there a way to select which side you want the clock?

<joe:joe.vg> - Is there a way to hide the battery icon (keeping just the percentage)?

<joe:joe.vg> - Is there a way to hide the VPN icon (I use the AlwaysOnVPN + network killswitch, so no I don't need to keep an eye on the icon.). I was able to access the SystemUI Tuner hidden settings, but there's nothing for the VPN

<joe:joe.vg>

<joe:joe.vg> Note that I come from a less-secure ROM (LineageOS) which had those customization available. I am not a security expert so maybe there's security concern with any of those that I don't realise.,

<joe:joe.vg> Hello people. I am new to GrapheneOS (I bought a Pixel 4a 5G especially for that).

<joe:joe.vg>

<joe:joe.vg> First, thanks for giving us a privacy-friendly and secure alternative to Android!

<joe:joe.vg>

<joe:joe.vg> I have searched a lot but didn't find answers to those quick questions regarding customization (I guess the answer is no to all of them, but I am trying 😉 )

<joe:joe.vg> - Is there a way to select which side you want the clock?

<joe:joe.vg> - Is there a way to hide the battery icon (keeping just the percentage)?

<joe:joe.vg> - Is there a way to hide the VPN icon (I use the AlwaysOnVPN + network killswitch, so no I don't need to keep an eye on the icon.). I was able to access the SystemUI Tuner hidden settings, but there's nothing for the VPN

<joe:joe.vg>

<joe:joe.vg> Note that I come from a less-secure ROM (LineageOS) which had those customization available. I am not a security expert so maybe there's security concern with any of those that I don't realize.

<joe:joe.vg>

<joe:joe.vg> Thanks for your time and thanks again for that ROM!

<grapheneos_user_pi:matrix.org> Joe: I don't think you can do those things, sorry; they're not in AOSP to my knowledge either.

<traceyu7:matrix.org> How do I make graphene only update over data

<traceyu7:matrix.org> I mean

<traceyu7:matrix.org> Brain fart

<traceyu7:matrix.org> Only update over wifi

<strcat:grapheneos.org> traceyu7: grapheneos.org/usage#updates