00:02:23 Thank you 00:11:15 Noticed when using the Vanadium that there is no longer a back button on the lower left so when viewing a webpage can't get out of it without closing the browser? 00:19:37 creighton: not something that changed in Vanadium 00:19:44 creighton: https://grapheneos.org/usage#system-navigation 00:20:07 you go back by swiping from left or right edge of the screen (anywhere other than the navigation bar) 00:23:11 is there any way to hide the advanced boot screen for GrapheneOS (the one where it shows you can pause booting with the power button until it goes to the Google logo then GrapheneOS logo)? 00:23:35 i made sure to disable OEM unlocking 00:28:07 double tap power 00:28:23 there's no way to hide it, that would violate the requirements of the verified boot implementation 00:28:36 it must show that screen when using a custom key flashed to the secure element 00:28:48 if there was a way to bypass it, that would be a vulnerability 00:29:08 (a minor one, if it didn't actually allow bypassing verification beyond that, but a vulnerability nonetheless) 00:29:11 ah i see 00:29:27 if you double tap power to pause+resume it skips the screen 00:29:31 if you really care about those 5-10 seconds 00:46:24 Good tip in a pinch for time 01:21:40 is there any way to disable 5G in GrapheneOS if I have a Pixel 4a 5G for Pixel 5? 01:23:19 use either 4G or 4G only mode 01:23:47 is there any way to disable 5G in GrapheneOS if I have a Pixel 4a 5G for Pixel 5? I figured its at the service level but didn't know if there were specific setting in the OS I could toggle. 01:24:35 > <@joe:joe.vg> Hello people. I am new to GrapheneOS (I bought a Pixel 4a 5G especially for that). 01:24:36 > 01:24:37 > First, thanks for giving us a privacy-friendly and secure alternative to Android! 01:24:39 > 01:24:40 > I have searched a lot but didn't find answers to those quick questions regarding customization (I guess the answer is no to all of them, but I am trying 😉 ) 01:24:41 > - Is there a way to select which side you want the clock? 01:24:42 > - Is there a way to hide the battery icon (keeping just the percentage)? 01:24:44 > - Is there a way to hide the VPN icon (I use the AlwaysOnVPN + network killswitch, so no I don't need to keep an eye on the icon.). I was able to access the SystemUI Tuner hidden settings, but there's nothing for the VPN 01:24:45 > 01:24:46 > Note that I come from a less-secure ROM (LineageOS) which had those customization available. I am not a security expert so maybe there's security concern with any of those that I don't realize. 01:24:48 > 01:24:49 > Thanks for your time and thanks again for that ROM! 01:24:50 01:24:52 I hid the icon on the lock screen by changing: settings -> Apps & Notifications -> Notifications -> Notifications on lock screen -> Hide silent conversations and notifications 01:26:05 VPN icon that is, dont think you can hide the battery icon. 01:26:58 Cliff I don't have it on the lockscreen but I am willing to hide it from the status bar (sorry it wasnt clear ahah). Thanks for the answer 01:27:36 > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> use either 4G or 4G only mode 01:27:37 01:27:38 Awesome. Would that be "Preferred network type" under Settings>Network & Internet>Mobile Network? 01:27:39 > <@grapheneos_user_pi:matrix.org> Joe: I don't think you can do those things, sorry; they're not in AOSP to my knowledge either. 01:27:40 01:27:42 Thanks also, that's what I thought 01:27:49 stonjjohn: yes 01:28:06 4G is a standard mode, 4G only is a GrapheneOS feature for disabling 2G/3G 01:28:25 4G is a standard mode (they set the maximum protocol version), 4G only is a GrapheneOS feature for disabling 2G/3G 01:28:30 4G is a standard mode (they set the maximum protocol version), 4G only is a GrapheneOS feature for disabling 2G/3G too 01:35:33 > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> 4G is a standard mode (they set the maximum protocol version), 4G only is a GrapheneOS feature for disabling 2G/3G too 01:35:34 01:35:35 Mine says ...LTE, LTE only but I'm confused because I've read articles stating that 4G and LTE are not synonymous. So would my Pixel 5 give the following options ...LTE, LTE only, 5G, 5G only? 01:36:24 they are synonymous 01:36:44 > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> they are synonymous 01:36:45 01:36:46 OK, thanks for the clarification! 01:37:04 your carrier chooses which one to use in the configuration they supply to be included in the OS 01:37:21 they can also choose other things like if they want to add an extra fake signal bar 01:37:45 interesting 01:41:09 I don't have 5G options on my 4a 5G, is it normal? 01:41:51 if your carrier doesn't support it, you wouldn't have those options 01:41:59 The auto reboot feature is really cool! 01:42:00 it lists values your carrier supports 01:42:16 Ah, make sens, thanks 01:42:17 it's a carrier-specific configuration menu 01:52:52 why am I still on the 05-29 build? when I check for updates on both stable and beta nothing new gets installed 01:53:48 read https://grapheneos.org/releases#about-the-releases and https://grapheneos.org/usage#updates 01:53:55 look at the releases listing on the releases page 01:54:54 oh okay I see. thank you 01:55:27 release will not be available for the Pixel 4a (5G) and Pixel 5 until the kernel changes are ported 01:55:33 there are issues caused by the substantial upstream changes 01:55:40 people are welcome to help 01:55:51 there may not be a release for them for quite some time, did not make sense to delay it for other devices 01:56:09 there's a shortage of device maintainers 01:56:24 days of work from multiple people has already gone into this porting 02:29:03 what would be the first step I could take to help? I have a pixel 5 that I can test on 02:54:38 how can I clear all contacts. clearing storage of contacts doesn't do it, almost every contact I have now is linked to a duplicate for some reason. not sure if that's normal 02:55:46 also is changing contact color possible? 02:59:04 Sean: need development help, not testing until we have it working 02:59:27 @b1101 contacts app is a frontend, not where contacts are stored 02:59:34 they're stored in the Contacts Storage component 02:59:37 you can clear that 03:00:29 I ended up manually selecting em all, then deleting. then reimporting a vcf I had. no more dupes 03:03:22 how about colors? 03:11:10 The new notification for camera and mic use are cool 03:11:43 Is there a way to see the recent use too? 03:24:45 > <@wsahkgjhmma:matrix.org> Is there a way to see the recent use too? 03:24:46 03:24:47 Only recent notifications, not use. That is only an iOS feature at the moment. 03:25:04 Not use of camera/mic* 03:59:24 I love graphene. You guys rock 04:12:38 thanks 04:12:56 wsahkgjhmma: recent use will be shown properly in Android 12 04:13:08 wsahkgjhmma: there's a preview implementation in Android 11 but it's very flawed and we won't be enabling it since it's misleading 04:49:25 Hi guys. I am new here and trying to install GrapheneOS into my Pixel 3a. During the " Flashing factory images " process, after I've clicked the " Flash release " button, I've got an error message " Error : The device was disconnected. ". 04:49:26 04:49:27 May I know how to solve this problem? 04:59:50 aa3b: likely an unreliable USB connection 04:59:55 use USB-C to USB-C if you can 05:00:01 install from another phone if you don't have USB-C on your computer 05:00:24 alternatively you need a high quality USB-A to USB-C cable, most of them are trash and non-spec-compliant / broken 05:05:07 > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> aa3b: likely an unreliable USB connection 05:05:09 05:05:10 Thanks for your prompt reply. I'll try. In short, I need to go back to square one after changing the cable. Am I correct? ( Sorry for my stupid question, but this is the first time I tried to root a phone ) 05:05:26 aa3b: no just flashing step if you unlocked successfully 05:05:34 you should reboot phone back to bootloader interface but it will still be unlocked 05:05:47 there's a restart bootloader action you can choose from the menu 05:05:56 or just turn it off and use the same volume down thing to go back there 05:07:11 I got it. Thanks. I will try again after the said cable is found. 05:07:51 aa3b: if you have access to another Android phone with USB-C you can use USB-C to USB-C cable to install from that other phone 05:07:55 web installer works on Android 05:14:16 > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> aa3b: if you have access to another Android phone with USB-C you can use USB-C to USB-C cable to install from that other phone 05:14:17 05:14:18 I got it. 07:57:08 > <@aa3b:matrix.org> I got it. 07:57:09 07:57:11 After used a USB-C to USB-C cable, looks the " Flash release " was started until processing " fastboot mode ". There is an error " Error : The requested file could not be read, typically due to permission problems that have occured after a reference to a file was acquired. " My Pixel 3a showed a " fastbootd " screen with couple options such as " Reboot system now "... 07:57:12 07:57:13 May I know what shall I do if I was stuck here? 08:28:36 Hello Sir/Mam, 08:30:50 I am using Xiaomi Redmi 5A Model :- MCI3B (RAM: 3gb, Internal Storage:- 32gb).....That Description Link Is (https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_redmi_5a-8898.php) 08:31:13 Grapheneos Support My phone Or Not ? 08:36:24 I am using Xiaomi Redmi 5A Model :- MCI3B (RAM: 3gb, Internal Storage:- 32gb).....That Description Link Is (https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_redmi_5a-8898.php), so Qt is Grapheneos Support My phone Or Not ? 08:40:49 > <@oo7devidanderson:matrix.org> I am using Xiaomi Redmi 5A Model :- MCI3B (RAM: 3gb, Internal Storage:- 32gb).....That Description Link Is (https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_redmi_5a-8898.php), so Qt is Grapheneos Support My phone Or Not ? 08:40:49 08:40:50 https://grapheneos.org/faq#device-support 08:44:08 Pixel 5 (redfin) 08:44:08 Pixel 4a (5G) (bramble) 08:44:09 Pixel 4a (sunfish) 08:44:10 Pixel 4 XL (coral) 08:44:12 Pixel 4 (flame) 08:44:13 Pixel 3a XL (bonito) 08:44:14 Pixel 3a (sargo) 08:44:15 Pixel 3 XL (crosshatch) 08:44:17 Pixel 3 (blueline) I don't know about it & not understand so please guide me...so i am provide the link of my phone description 08:49:10 No, only Google's Pixel phones are supported at the moment 08:51:27 oo7devidanderson: please read the paragraphs below that list (in the link I provided initially). It explains everything. 09:02:57 Thank You. 09:28:22 FYI, tag RQ3A.210605.005.2021.06.09.13 does not exist in Github's platform_manifest, leading to broken links on the grapheneos.org/releases 09:29:04 (tags not pushed?) 11:30:49 hello, GrapheneOS is based on android 10 or 11 ? 11:31:55 11 11:31:58 > <@guillaume47:matrix.org> hello, GrapheneOS is based on android 10 or 11 ? 11:31:59 11:32:00 Mine says Android 11 (4a 5G) 11:33:37 Can the GPS work normally with Graphene ? 11:34:23 GrapheneOS follow Google updates very closely (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: hello, GrapheneOS is based on android 10 or 11 ?) 11:34:27 GrapheneOS follows Google updates very closely (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: hello, GrapheneOS is based on android 10 or 11 ?) 11:34:30 > <@guillaume47:matrix.org> hello, GrapheneOS is based on android 10 or 11 ? 11:34:31 11:34:32 Android 11 QPR3 11:34:50 > <@akc3n:tchncs.de> Android 11 QPR3 11:34:50 11:34:52 thx 11:35:42 > <@guillaume47:matrix.org> Can the GPS work normally with Graphene ? 11:35:42 11:35:44 Yes. 11:37:56 How it work for geolocation services ? 11:38:26 I thought we need microG for that 11:41:06 guillaume47 please read https://grapheneos.org/faq 11:43:20 thanks but i didn't see the answer on the faq 11:44:19 from the FAQ: "The baseband implements other functionality such as Wi-Fi and GPS functionality, but each of these components is separately sandboxed on the baseband and independent of each other." (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: thanks but i didn't see the answer on the faq) 11:45:04 also this "On devices with a Qualcomm baseband (which provides GPS), when location functionality is enabled and being used, GPS almanacs are downloaded from https://xtrapath1.izatcloud.net/xtra3grc.bin, https://xtrapath2.izatcloud.net/xtra3grc.bin or https://xtrapath3.izatcloud.net/xtra3grc.bin which are currently (as of September 2020) hosted via Amazon Web Services. GrapheneOS has modified all references to these ser 11:46:12 I think he's asking about how GPS can be used with Google Maps without play services 11:47:44 > <@thatcher:matrix.org> I think he's asking about how GPS can be used with Google Maps without play services 11:47:44 11:47:45 No i don't want to use google map. I'm just wondering if the gps chip can work fine for fix the location. 11:48:22 You lost me 12:00:13 Where do i find those options? (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: Not sure if that's possible by default (don't think so) but you can work around that by specifying default runtime permissions of a work profile then adding it. Its not the most optimal solution.) 12:00:41 Or how can i do that? Im not very tech guy 12:01:29 > <@guillaume47:matrix.org> No i don't want to use google map. I'm just wondering if the gps chip can work fine for fix the location. 12:01:29 12:01:31 Enable location services globally and check that its working with satstat if you like. 12:01:32 12:01:33 There's per app permissions as well. So if you'd like it to work better, then either give the app background access rather than only foreground or leave it in the foreground until it gets a lock. 12:04:16 > <@akc3n:tchncs.de> Enable location services globally and check that its working with satstat if you like. 12:04:17 > 12:04:18 > There's per app permissions as well. So if you'd like it to work better, then either give the app background access rather than only foreground or leave it in the foreground until it gets a lock. 12:04:20 12:04:21 thx 12:30:38 > <@bitgestalt:matrix.org> FYI, tag RQ3A.210605.005.2021.06.09.13 does not exist in Github's platform_manifest, leading to broken links on the grapheneos.org/releases 12:30:39 12:30:40 4a 5g and 5 still being finalized and they can't tag the kernel repos for those, and manifest yet. 12:30:48 > <@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.org> Where do i find those options? (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: Not sure if that's possible by default (don't think so) but you can work around that by specifying default runtime permissions of a work profile then adding it. Its not the most optimal solution.) 12:30:48 12:30:50 @Jeremy sry I don't know exactly how to do that. Just know there's such a possibility if you really wanted to. 12:49:37 Is asking a question here the same as asking on the GrapheneOS Element ? 12:53:30 yes 12:53:32 it's bridged 12:53:54 you can see most stuff is being shown via the bridge bot since it's from Matrix 12:54:04 and a bit from IRC 12:59:10 strcat hello bro! 12:59:10 You were right as usual. The whole issue for this specific app is coming from them self.. Check their answer below: 12:59:11 "Further to your message, we would like to inform you that HSBC Mobile Banking Application cannot be used due to the absence of Google Play application on Huawei cell phones due to the Google embargo." 13:00:32 Even though we are not using huawei.. The thing is I am using another HSBC app from different country and thanks god is working properly but still the issue is from their side so I just have to wait.. 13:01:56 Also I red the lesson about the passwords 😁 proper info for all if us so thank you! 13:02:10 Also I red the lesson about the passwords 😁 proper info for all of us so thank you! 13:03:28 Thanks. Strcat, I have been stuck on my 3a XL for a few days now. Is there anywhere I can dial into exactly my problem? 13:03:29 In summary, I tried the web installer using Chrome OS, blah blah blah, at the end it said Error Undefined. You told me to redo, but that was worse. It then said it couldn't re-download nor flash 13:03:30 So I went to my Linux terminal (where last year I successfully installed GrapheneOS on a 3aXL, flawlessly 13:03:31 This time, when I hit ./flashall-sh it downloaded but didn't complete. 13:03:33