<yarikpm:matrix.org> Anyone know how to install apps on secondary profiles without downloading them again through fdroid/aurora?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> ypm: transfer via network, F-Droid can do that if you really want

<PAN0PT1KON:telegram> you mean work profile or multiuser? (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <yarikpm:matrix.org> Anyone know how to install apps on secondary profiles without downloading them again through fdroid/aurora?)

<yarikpm:matrix.org> multi user, not work profile

<yarikpm:matrix.org> > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> ypm: transfer via network, F-Droid can do that if you really want

<yarikpm:matrix.org>

<yarikpm:matrix.org> got it, ty

<PAN0PT1KON:telegram> for multiuser you can just copy the file to a usb drive and disconnect, switch to the user profile, and connect it again

<PAN0PT1KON:telegram> the usb drive will be presented in the file manager of multiuser profile

<PAN0PT1KON:telegram> or you can set up a web server and download apk from that user profile's web browser

<PAN0PT1KON:telegram> or you can set up a web server (like lws) and download apk from that user profile's web browser

<PAN0PT1KON:telegram> or you can set up a web server (like lws) and download apk using that user profile's web browser

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> Hi, I can’t receive MMS with video or images...even very small ones. Explicitly SMS (text) will send/receive just fine. Any ideas on what's going on? Its almost like I have no data. I did get a new SIM thinking it was the SIM.

<akc3n:tchncs.de> > <@stonjjohn:matrix.org> Hi, I can’t receive MMS with video or images...even very small ones. Explicitly SMS (text) will send/receive just fine. Any ideas on what's going on? Its almost like I have no data. I did get a new SIM thinking it was the SIM.

<akc3n:tchncs.de>

<akc3n:tchncs.de> Are you using the Messaging app? Or a third-party text messaging app?

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> > <@akc3n:tchncs.de> Are you using the Messaging app? Or a third-party text messaging app?

<stonjjohn:matrix.org>

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> Yes default text app.

<akc3n:tchncs.de> > <@stonjjohn:matrix.org> Yes default text app.

<akc3n:tchncs.de>

<akc3n:tchncs.de> Owner or secondary profile?

<akc3n:tchncs.de> And by chance, are you sure you have Messaging app set as your default?

<akc3n:tchncs.de> stonjjohn: system Settings -> Apps & Notifications -> Messaging -> Advanced -> SMS app (Yes)

<malakoi:matrix.org> @strcat does Graphene have a patreon or something where we can donate monthly?

<akc3n:tchncs.de> > <@malakoi:matrix.org> @strcat does Graphene have a patreon or something where we can donate monthly?

<akc3n:tchncs.de>

<akc3n:tchncs.de> github.com/sponsors/thestinger

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> > <@akc3n:tchncs.de> Owner or secondary profile?

<stonjjohn:matrix.org>

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> Owner

<akc3n:tchncs.de> malakoi: or grapheneos.org/donate

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> > <@akc3n:tchncs.de> And by chance, are you sure you have Messaging app set as your default?

<stonjjohn:matrix.org>

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> Messaging app is default

<malakoi:matrix.org> @akc3n thank you

<akc3n:tchncs.de> > <@stonjjohn:matrix.org> Messaging app is default

<akc3n:tchncs.de>

<akc3n:tchncs.de> I'd have a peak through here github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-trac…issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed+sms

<akc3n:tchncs.de>

<akc3n:tchncs.de> I'm just in the middle of something at the moment at home. Give me 10ish mins and I'll be able to focus on just your issue.

<akc3n:tchncs.de> > <@stonjjohn:matrix.org> Messaging app is default

<akc3n:tchncs.de>

<akc3n:tchncs.de> Hmm. What carrier are you with?

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> Sprint...now tmobile

<an-individual:matrix.org> I just joined the community

<thecannon:matrix.org> welcome!

<an-individual:matrix.org> Thanks

<an-individual:matrix.org> So the damage that adb drivers has done to my desktop is unfortunatley a bit permanent.

<an-individual:matrix.org> These drivers are not reliable for large file transfers.

<an-individual:matrix.org> They are good enough for single small files though.

<an-individual:matrix.org> I did not make a restore point before installing. Very bad on my part

<an-individual:matrix.org> Lucky i got my laptop too

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> > <@akc3n:tchncs.de> Hmm. What carrier are you with?

<stonjjohn:matrix.org>

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> Sprint...now tmobile

<an-individual:matrix.org> Did you make the same hop I did? Boost Mobile to Mint Mobile?

<akc3n:tchncs.de> stonjjohn: And you don't have a secondary profile with a third party sms app set to default in that one either, correct? Just the owner profile with the Messaging app set as default as.

<an-individual:matrix.org> I installed Signal right away to my phone.

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> > <@akc3n:tchncs.de> stonjjohn: And you don't have a secondary profile with a third party sms app set to default in that one either, correct? Just the owner profile with the Messaging app set as default as.

<stonjjohn:matrix.org>

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> I'll confirm signal is not the default, but I'm pretty sue messaging was.

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> So I had a sprint SIM had the issues (even worse - couldn't call or text - said couldn't register SIM) then got a new T-Mobile one. Registered fine, calls and SMS OK, just can't send MMS (images or video files)

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> So I had a sprint SIM with major issues (even worse - couldn't call or text - said couldn't register SIM) then got a new T-Mobile one. Registered fine, calls and SMS OK, just can't send MMS (images or video files)

<an-individual:matrix.org> Oof.

<an-individual:matrix.org> Actually I havent tried that myself.

<an-individual:matrix.org> No idea if that works for me or not.

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> So I had a sprint SIM with major issues (even worse - couldn't call or text - said couldn't register SIM) then got a new T-Mobile one. Registered fine, calls and SMS OK, just can't send MMS (images or video files).

<an-individual:matrix.org> So I researched it mint mobile is t mobile. I was able to send a picture SMS via signal to her.

<an-individual:matrix.org> To my wife.

<akc3n:tchncs.de> > <@stonjjohn:matrix.org> So I had a sprint SIM with major issues (even worse - couldn't call or text - said couldn't register SIM) then got a new T-Mobile one. Registered fine, calls and SMS OK, just can't send MMS (images or video files).

<akc3n:tchncs.de>

<akc3n:tchncs.de> Do you have mobile data enabled in system settings?

<an-individual:matrix.org> "Mint Mobile is an American telecommunications company which sells mobile phone services and operates as an MVNO on T-Mobile’s cellular network in the United States." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mint_Mobile

<akc3n:tchncs.de> > <@stonjjohn:matrix.org> I'll confirm signal is not the default, but I'm pretty sue messaging was.

<akc3n:tchncs.de>

<akc3n:tchncs.de> Ya, if you can confirm that please as well, that would help with the process of elimination. Thank you.

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> > <@akc3n:tchncs.de> Do you have mobile data enabled in system settings?

<stonjjohn:matrix.org>

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> Checking...

<ghostsplintersix:matrix.org> > <@an-individual:matrix.org> "Mint Mobile is an American telecommunications company which sells mobile phone services and operates as an MVNO on T-Mobile’s cellular network in the United States." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mint_Mobile

<ghostsplintersix:matrix.org>

<ghostsplintersix:matrix.org> This isn't the right room for that.

<an-individual:matrix.org> Isn't it though? I'm confirming that it works for me I have mint mobile

<an-individual:matrix.org> Mint mobile is essentially tmobile and that's the network he has an issue with.

<ghostsplintersix:matrix.org> I deleted my message.

<an-individual:matrix.org> mk

<ghostsplintersix:matrix.org> All I saw was a random Wikipedia article before noticing the conversation. 😁

<betsy21:matrix.org> I installed grapheneos using the web usb installer. When the device boots I get the message "Your device is loading a different operating system". After some 5 seconds I get a Google splash screen and then GrapheneOS splash screen and finally I see the homescreen. Is this normal?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> yes

<betsy21:matrix.org> I thought I removed Google completely. Why do I get the google splash screen? I hate google.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> android.googlesource.com/platform/e…ster/README.md#recommended-bootflow

<strcat:grapheneos.org> betsy21: it's the brand of the hardware

<strcat:grapheneos.org> that's a splash screen showing the brand of the hardware in the bootloader

<duck.:privacytools.io> > <@betsy21:matrix.org> I thought I removed Google completely. Why do I get the google splash screen? I hate google.

<duck.:privacytools.io>

<duck.:privacytools.io> lmao

<strcat:grapheneos.org> maybe you should have bought an iPhone

<duck.:privacytools.io> > buys a pixel

<duck.:privacytools.io> > hates google

<strcat:grapheneos.org> matrix.grapheneos.org/_matrix/media…heneos.org/OeqBlvMfZygZxuzBIUOrJtLa

<olivia:perki.nz> > <@duck.:privacytools.io> > buys a pixel

<olivia:perki.nz> > > hates google

<olivia:perki.nz>

<olivia:perki.nz> me

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it means it's using the key flashed onto the secure element (GrapheneOS signing key)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's supposed to show that

<strcat:grapheneos.org> on a device built to run GrapheneOS it wouldn't show that when using the official GrapheneOS releases (stock OS)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it would when running another OS with verified boot enabled (bootloader locked)

<betsy21:matrix.org> I was worried I installed it wrong and google was still spying on me. Now I get it's nothing to worry about.

<duck.:privacytools.io> > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> on a device built to run GrapheneOS it wouldn't show that when using the official GrapheneOS releases (stock OS)

<duck.:privacytools.io>

<duck.:privacytools.io> graphmeme hardware when

<betsy21:matrix.org> Anyway to remove the boot message "Your device is loading a different operating system"?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> betsy21: no, that would be a verified boot vulnerability which would get fixed

<duck.:privacytools.io> sar

<strcat:grapheneos.org> look at the flow chart above

<strcat:grapheneos.org> matrix.grapheneos.org/_matrix/media…heneos.org/jadfkmMhOAJLQQPeEawSapqe

<strcat:grapheneos.org> that's a better flow chart showing the proper colors

<anupritaisno1:m.apex.to> Can you enter eio yourself

<anupritaisno1:m.apex.to> Can you enter eio yourself?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> EIO means IO error

<anupritaisno1:m.apex.to> Aware but is it user toggleable

<strcat:grapheneos.org> i.e. it failed to read data (so it failed verification)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> not clear what you mean

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it means data failed to be read

<strcat:grapheneos.org> tampering or drive dying

<anupritaisno1:m.apex.to> Kk

<strcat:grapheneos.org> but it has FEC metadata

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it tries to verify, then if it fails it tries to repair it with out of band error correction data, then tries to verify again, then if that fails it's a fatal IO error

<olivia:perki.nz> since this is a chat of pixel users did any of y'all try motion sense on stock?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> off-topic

<betsy21:matrix.org> > betsy21: no, that would be a verified boot vulnerability which would get fixed

<betsy21:matrix.org> Will this warning message get fixed in a future release?

<olivia:perki.nz> rip

<strcat:grapheneos.org> also sounds like trolling

<olivia:perki.nz> wut

<strcat:grapheneos.org> betsy21: it's not a bug, it's intended, read what you're replying to

<olivia:perki.nz> I was genuinely curious

<strcat:grapheneos.org> > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> sent an image.

<strcat:grapheneos.org>

<strcat:grapheneos.org> betsy21: look at the flow chart

<betsy21:matrix.org> @strcat That clears things up

<strcat:grapheneos.org> you want to be using a custom OS, right? and in a secure way (verified boot enabled, verifying via root of trust you chose and flashed to secure element)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> so you want that

<strcat:grapheneos.org> you can skip the screen by double tapping power (pause, resume)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> on a device built to run GrapheneOS, when using the official GrapheneOS releases, it wouldn't have that screen since it's NOT a user configured root of trust

<olivia:perki.nz> can't seem to join off topic

<strcat:grapheneos.org> #offtopic:grapheneos.org

<strcat:grapheneos.org> what were you trying to join?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's possible matrix.org is broken

<olivia:perki.nz> #offtopic:grapheneos.org

<strcat:grapheneos.org> dunno then

<olivia:perki.nz> same thing I guess it just can't be joined thru search

<strcat:grapheneos.org> search?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> explore rooms?

<olivia:perki.nz> that

<olivia:perki.nz> matrix.grapheneos.org/_matrix/media…d/perki.nz/IGvOSLaCheUgDHZdcjMVrYeF

<betsy21:matrix.org> > on a device built to run GrapheneOS, when using the official GrapheneOS releases, it wouldn't have that screen since it's NOT a user configured root of trust

<betsy21:matrix.org> @strcat Is there such a device?

<anupritaisno1:m.apex.to> Biv: if your homeserver is broken you can ask a mod to invite you

<strcat:grapheneos.org> betsy21: not yet

<olivia:perki.nz> Nah its all good I was able to join off the link earlier

<secluded-m3:privacytools.io> GrapheneOS should replace the "Google" boot logo 🙂

<strcat:grapheneos.org> please see earlier discussions here

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it was the prior discussion

<nidraz:libera> hello

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > <@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.org> <nidraz:libera> hello

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Hi @nidraz:libera

<ashes:tchncs.de> If I set "Block connections without VPN" on one user profile, then switch to another without ending the session, can background connections from the first user bypass the VPN?

<leeya:kde.org> The connection that'll be used system-wide depends on the current user's VPN (or absence thereof)

<ashes:tchncs.de> And if I forget to end the session of the first user there will most likely be background connections, right?

<ashes:tchncs.de> And if I forget to end the session of the first user there will most likely still be background connections, right?

<ashes:tchncs.de> Is there a way to check which profiles have an active session?

<leeya:kde.org> Owner user is always active, the last (at most) two secondary user profiles opened are active

<ashes:tchncs.de> Okay, great thank you

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> hi guys

<myworld010:matrix.org> Hey

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> any users in the US? i'm thinking of getting a pixel for graphene os but concerned about the volte/4g support

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> my carrier at&t said that they're phasing out 3g by february next year, so i'd like to know if this will still work after that, and apparently they have a device whitelist thing going on

<DzzzzzzR:matrix.org> VoLTE and VoWifi works fine with most carriers now. GrapheneOS takes the configuration for all that from the stock Pixels

<DzzzzzzR:matrix.org> cyrenaic: there are some US carriers that have intrusive software included in stock which GrapheneOS doesnt include

<DzzzzzzR:matrix.org> I dont think at&t is one of them

<man:privacytools.io> I heard that Google added light indicators when an app access camera or microphone on Android 12

<man:privacytools.io> Does that mean that grapheneos will remove his current light indicators?

<DzzzzzzR:matrix.org> Sprint was particularly bad and wouldnt work at all, but since they were taken over by verizon that is being phased out

<DzzzzzzR:matrix.org> fam: its the same thing

<DzzzzzzR:matrix.org> Just not enabled yet in stock

<salacitrus:matrix.org> Hello, Some apps on the pixel don't seem to enable emoji's. App like Wickr i cannot see emoji on keyboard however on apps like sessions or signal they are their. Is it a Wickr thing as it was from F-droid or is it a grpaheneos thing ?

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> any advice on where to buy phones and what to look out for? i'm an iphone user and my knowledge about android is patchy

<DzzzzzzR:matrix.org> salacitrus: hold down the enter/return key

<salacitrus:matrix.org> Amazing. Thank you kind sir!

<DzzzzzzR:matrix.org> 👍

<DzzzzzzR:matrix.org> cyrenaic: you need to avoid verizon pixels as they can not be bootloader unlocked (thats different to carrier unlocked - which sellers often mention)

<DzzzzzzR:matrix.org> sometimes verizon pixels get sold in other countries. But mainly an issue in the US

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> is it as simple as avoiding verizon pixel, or is there anything else

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> is there anything else to ensuring that the device can be bootloader unlocked?

<Hulk:telegram> Please read grapheneos.org/faq#recommended-devices (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <cyrenaic:matrix.org> is it as simple as avoiding verizon pixel, or is there anything else)

<Hulk:telegram> If you can, you should buy from the official Google store

<ghostsplintersix:matrix.org> > <@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.org> <Hulk:telegram> Please read grapheneos.org/faq#recommended-devices (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <cyrenaic:matrix.org> is it as simple as avoiding verizon pixel, or is there anything else)

<ghostsplintersix:matrix.org>

<ghostsplintersix:matrix.org> What's the link have to do with their question?

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> > <Hulk:telegram> If you can, you should buy from the official Google store

<cyrenaic:matrix.org>

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> this kinda answers it?

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> there's only a few options in the official store when ordering pixel 5

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> verizon, google fi, and unlocked

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> so i suppose i should choose the unlocked one

<Hulk:telegram> yes, unlocked is what you need to be able to install GrapheneOS

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> alright, placed the order

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> thanks guys for helping me pulling the trigger

<ghostsplintersix:matrix.org> 👍🏻

<ghostsplintersix:matrix.org> Enjoy!

<Hulk:telegram> cyrenaic: my personal advise to you if to consider the upcoming Pixel 6

<ghostsplintersix:matrix.org> I'll be getting the 6 once the OS is available on it.

<Hulk:telegram> cyrenaic: my personal advise to you is to consider the upcoming Pixel 6

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> tbh i don't really need the latest and greatest

<seresia:matrix.org> how long do you reckon it'll take for the OS to be available? My current phone looks like it'll kick the bucket soon, but I'd like to get one of the newer pixels

<smithside20:matrix.org> Is it possible to remove broadband chipsets and receivers from your pixel phone and can it still function as a wifi only device with graphene os? So it cannot connect to cell towers or cellular networks at all and only use wifi.

<ghostsplintersix:matrix.org> It depends. It normally takes a few months if I remember correctly.

<Hulk:telegram> just use airplane mode in this case (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <smithside20:matrix.org> Is it possible to remove broadband chipsets and receivers from your pixel phone and can it still function as a wifi only device with graphene os? So it cannot connect to cell towers or cellular networks at all and only use wifi.)

<smithside20:matrix.org> > <@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.org> <Hulk:telegram> just use airplane mode in this case (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <smithside20:matrix.org> Is it possible to remove broadband chipsets and receivers from your pixel phone and can it still function as a wifi only device with graphene os? So it cannot connect to cell towers or cellular networks at all and only use wifi.)

<smithside20:matrix.org>

<smithside20:matrix.org> Lol but it can still be pinged

<smithside20:matrix.org> Airplane mode doesn’t disable the hardware completely

<hainslow:matrix.org> a

<smithside20:matrix.org> But would it still function like an ipod touch or something

<Hulk:telegram> once there is a maintainer for a particular device, it usually takes about 2 weeks [please find the logs] (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <seresia:matrix.org> how long do you reckon it'll take for the OS to be available? My current phone looks like it'll kick the bucket soon, but I'd like to get one of the newer pixels)

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> i heard if you really want privacy you should just leave your phone at home

<ghostsplintersix:matrix.org> That or not use a phone 😁

<Hulk:telegram> wrong, read this

<Hulk:telegram> grapheneos.org/faq#cellular-tracking (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <smithside20:matrix.org> Airplane mode doesn’t disable the hardware completely)

<Hulk:telegram> please read this

<Hulk:telegram> grapheneos.org/faq#cellular-tracking (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <smithside20:matrix.org> Airplane mode doesn’t disable the hardware completely)

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> ah yes, gotta wipe the dust off my dad's walkman

<hainslow:matrix.org> Good afternoon, I've got some noob questions on customization: A) Is 2 home screens max? Can't find an option to add another one. B) Is it possible to activate scroll screenshots somehow? C) I can edit captured images (filter, cut, ...) but I'm missing a simpel pen to draw on screenshots. Is there a way to activate that? --Thanks a lot!

<hainslow:matrix.org> Oh, and D) Is there a clipboard for copied messages/items?

<Hulk:telegram> grapheneos.org/faq#clipboard (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <hainslow:matrix.org> Oh, and D) Is there a clipboard for copied messages/items?)

<smithside20:matrix.org> > <@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.org> <Hulk:telegram> please read this

<smithside20:matrix.org> > grapheneos.org/faq#cellular-tracking (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <smithside20:matrix.org> Airplane mode doesn’t disable the hardware completely)

<smithside20:matrix.org>

<smithside20:matrix.org> Ok but for the most absolute threat model, can the phone function if we were to remove the specific modems related to cell and lte communications?

<cyrenaic:matrix.org> alright guys catch you guys later when my ipleb-ass inevitably bricks my shiny new pixel

<Hulk:telegram> once you open your phone and tamper with it we can no longer guarantee you anything (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <smithside20:matrix.org> > <@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.org> <Hulk:telegram> please read this

<Hulk:telegram> > grapheneos.org/faq#cellular-tracking (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <smithside20:matrix.org> Airplane mode doesn’t disable the hardware completely)

<Hulk:telegram> Ok but for the most absolute threat model, can the phone function if we were to remove the specific modems related to cell and lte communications?)

<Hulk:telegram> you will be on your own

<ldovic:matrix.org> hello I'm trying to install Graphene on a pixel 2. I tried the web install but when flashing it fails at 'writing to device' and says `Error: Timeout of 10000 ms exceeded`. Also when I start the device it says `ERROR: Slot unbootable: Load Error`. I am going to try to install from the CLI but until then does anyone have a suggestion? Thanks

<leeya:kde.org> Try plugging it to a faster usb C aor usb A (3.0) port, then reflash at your chosen installation method

<ldovic:matrix.org> I only have one working usb terminal on my macbook, so would that involve buying a new cable? I did test it before installing, it transfer files ok

<ldovic:matrix.org> *usb port

<leeya:kde.org> Is the cable you're using the one that came with the phone?

<ldovic:matrix.org> no bought separately

<ldovic:matrix.org> usb-c

<hainslow:matrix.org> > <@ldovic:matrix.org> hello I'm trying to install Graphene on a pixel 2. I tried the web install but when flashing it fails at 'writing to device' and says `Error: Timeout of 10000 ms exceeded`. Also when I start the device it says `ERROR: Slot unbootable: Load Error`. I am going to try to install from the CLI but until then does anyone have a suggestion? Thanks

<hainslow:matrix.org>

<hainslow:matrix.org> Very new to this, but I experienced similar yesterday. Tried to install from Lineage 18.1. Resetted to stock Android first, then it worked. I used this guide:

<hainslow:matrix.org> developers.google.com/android/images

<ldovic:matrix.org> ok i will have a look at this thanks

<pruharam:telegram> use the one that came with your phone (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <ldovic:matrix.org> no bought separately)

<ldovic:matrix.org> not possible, it is a second hand one

<ldovic:matrix.org> the phone i mean

<hainslow:matrix.org> Wait, is a Pixel 2 even supported by the web installer?

<leeya:kde.org> > <@ldovic:matrix.org> hello I'm trying to install Graphene on a pixel 2. I tried the web install but when flashing it fails at 'writing to device' and says `Error: Timeout of 10000 ms exceeded`. Also when I start the device it says `ERROR: Slot unbootable: Load Error`. I am going to try to install from the CLI but until then does anyone have a suggestion? Thanks

<leeya:kde.org>

<leeya:kde.org> Not an officially supported device (it's a legacy one), but it should work with web installer iirc (that timeout issue before was mitigated by lengthening its time)

<pruharam:telegram> Then I have no idea, use the cmd line installation then (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: <ldovic:matrix.org> not possible, it is a second hand one)

<leeya:kde.org> If it still persist after doing the mentioned steps/suggestions, try doing cli

<ldovic:matrix.org> ok great

<pkgbuild:matrix.org> Hello

<leeya:kde.org> hello

<eassen496:matrix.org> Hey "iT'5 n0t c0nV1nCing b3c@u$E wE sAiD s0!" - "trustworthy" community members or "experts"

<Atlantistux:telegram> Hello

<Atlantistux:telegram> I installed GrapheneOS with success

<Atlantistux:telegram> I can't use the Auditor app if my second smartphone is not listed on Github with supported devices ??

<Atlantistux:telegram> Can I do this operation in another way?

<Atlantistux:telegram> I can use a device with no access network

<Hulk:telegram> remote attestation

<Atlantistux:telegram> How ?

<Atlantistux:telegram> You have a tuto link for that ?

<Hulk:telegram> attestation.app/about (re @Atlantistux: You have a tuto link for that ?)

<Atlantistux:telegram> Thanks

<Hulk:telegram> You're welcome)

<hochlaender:matrix.org> Hey there, I have trouble loading the bootloader, Error: Bootloader was not unlocked, please try again! I have a Huawei P30 lite. Using Edge Browser.

<mrxx_0:matrix.org> Hochlaender HIGH Are you trying to install GrapheneOS on a Huawei phone ? If so, you can't go really far because it's not compatible with the project. See more info here : grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices

<hochlaender:matrix.org> damn, ok... Thank you guys anyways for your work!

<userexperiencenill:matrix.org> Landscape mode split keyboard possible?

<akarimizu:monero.social> are recently installed apps not allowed to run in the background at all for any reason until first opened?

<xagki:matrix.org> The Installation guide says I need a "high quality USB-C to USB-A cable". How do I know if a cable is of high quality? Are USB-C to USB-A cables for other phones from other manufacturers good enough?

<xagki:matrix.org> And where can I get a cable that'll work for the installation?

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > <@xagki:matrix.org> And where can I get a cable that'll work for the installation?

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Your pixel phone USB cable would have come with your device in the packaging. That's the best cable to use.

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> If you don't have that cable. We recommend an Anker branded cable.

<xagki:matrix.org> > <@akc3n:grapheneos.org> Your pixel phone USB cable would have come with your device in the packaging. That's the best cable to use.

<xagki:matrix.org> > If you don't have that cable. We recommend an Anker branded cable.

<xagki:matrix.org>

<xagki:matrix.org> Unfortunately my computer doesn't have a USB-C port

<xagki:matrix.org> I'll check the Anker cable out, thanks

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > <@xagki:matrix.org> Unfortunately my computer doesn't have a USB-C port

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Ah, gotcha okay.

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > <@xagki:matrix.org> I'll check the Anker cable out, thanks

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> You're welcome.

<ldovic:matrix.org> hi by installing via the cli it seems to have worked but i want to check something before i lock the bootloader. i got many outputs when the flashing was going on that said `archive does not contain 'dt.img'` or some other img... has the flash worked as expected? And if I locked the bootloader now would there be no turning back (I presume I can just unlock the bootloader again if it hasn't installed correctly but d

<hooly:tchncs.de> Unless you go into the installed system and disable OEM unlocking, you can always unlock the bootloader via USB debugging.

<ldovic:matrix.org> ok thanks

<boren:matrix.org> Hi everyone, I just bought a pixel 4a but I'm stuck in the installing process. I am using the web installer. After the phone boots into fastbootd, the installer hangs at "writing product" at about 25%. Console output:

<boren:matrix.org>

<boren:matrix.org> ```

<boren:matrix.org> Command: download:0c00004c

<boren:matrix.org> Response: DATA 0c00004c

<boren:matrix.org> Sending payload: 201326668 bytes

<boren:matrix.org> Sending 16384 bytes to endpoint, 201326668 remaining, i=0

<boren:matrix.org> Sending 16384 bytes to endpoint, 184942668 remaining, i=1000

<boren:matrix.org> Sending 16384 bytes to endpoint, 168558668 remaining, i=2000

<boren:matrix.org> Sending 16384 bytes to endpoint, 152174668 remaining, i=3000

<boren:matrix.org> Sending 16384 bytes to endpoint, 135790668 remaining, i=4000

<boren:matrix.org> Sending 16384 bytes to endpoint, 119406668 remaining, i=5000

<boren:matrix.org> Sending 16384 bytes to endpoint, 103022668 remaining, i=6000

<boren:matrix.org> Sending 16384 bytes to endpoint, 86638668 remaining, i=7000

<boren:matrix.org> ```

<boren:matrix.org>

<boren:matrix.org> It just seems to be stuck there. I am using the official USB-C to USB-C cable and dmesg doesn't report anything suspicious. I'm using Brave Browser on Ubuntu.. Any ideas?

<boren:matrix.org> I retried multiple times and also tried a USB-A to USB-C cable on different USB-2 and USB-3 ports which all resulted in different errors

<Sigma:libera> not sure the web installer works with Brave

<boren:matrix.org> Yes, I will try another browser, but it didn't seem to be an error on browser level. Problem is, my internet connection is really bad and I have to wait for nearly an hour to load the image again :/

<strcat:grapheneos.org> boren: sounds like you have broken USB

<strcat:grapheneos.org> use a different computer / phone to flash the OS that's not broken

<boren:matrix.org> Ok, doesn't seem to be a browser issue: My download for cli installation just finished and now I'm hanging at

<boren:matrix.org>

<boren:matrix.org> ```

<boren:matrix.org> extracting product.img (401 MB) to disk... took 1.956s

<boren:matrix.org> archive does not contain 'product.sig'

<boren:matrix.org> Resizing 'product_a' OKAY [ 0.007s]

<boren:matrix.org> Sending sparse 'product_a' 1/2 (262140 KB)

<boren:matrix.org> ```

<boren:matrix.org>

<boren:matrix.org> So yeah, strcat propably broken USB 😕

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> boren: when you go to purchase a new cable, look for the Anker brand.

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> boren: if you've already tried use a different USB port(s) on your computer, then if/when you go to purchase a new cable, look for the Anker brand.

<boren:matrix.org> Ok, thanks for your help and I will try again as soon as I have access to another pc

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > <@boren:matrix.org> Ok, thanks for your help and I will try again as soon as I have access to another pc

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Do you have another Google Android GrapheneOS supported device)? If so, you are also able to use that to flash your Pixel phone with too BTW.

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > <@boren:matrix.org> Ok, thanks for your help and I will try again as soon as I have access to another pc

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Do you have another Google Android (on GrapheneOS supported device)? If so, you are also able to use that to flash your Pixel phone with too BTW.

<boren:matrix.org> > <@akc3n:grapheneos.org> Do you have another Google Android (on GrapheneOS supported device)? If so, you are also able to use that to flash your Pixel phone with too BTW.

<boren:matrix.org>

<boren:matrix.org> No, unfortunately it's a Samsung S5 😀 But thanks for the tip

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> You're welcome.

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> Is the explicit foreground only permissions for camera and mic a grapheneOS exclusive dev or an Android specific one?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's standard on modern Android that camera, microphone and sensors are foreground only

<strcat:grapheneos.org> the main change we make in that area is having a toggle for Sensors access

<man:privacytools.io> That's odd. Sometimes when I start the camera app, then quit it, I can still see the camera indicator

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> it's standard on modern Android that camera, microphone and sensors are foreground only

<stonjjohn:matrix.org>

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> Modern Android e.g. version 10 or 11?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> suggest looking at the docs if you want to know more about it

<strcat:grapheneos.org> when I say modern I mean the latest stable release

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> Roger. thanks!

<strcat:grapheneos.org> but that doesn't mean this changed in Android 11

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I'm not really interested in the history of when stuff happened, anything serious is on Android 11

<strcat:grapheneos.org> I'm not very interested in the history of when stuff happened, anything serious is on Android 11

<stonjjohn:matrix.org> OK gotcha

<chr0n05:privacytools.io> fastboot version 1:8.1.0+r23-5ubuntu2

<chr0n05:privacytools.io> is this fastboot version any good?

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > <@chr0n05:privacytools.io> is this fastboot version any good?

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Suggest you `apt-get install android-sdk-platform-tools-common`

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> 14188: please have a read through grapheneos.org/install/web

<chr0n05:privacytools.io> yeah, sorry i just realized that fastboot on debian based distros is no good

<strcat:grapheneos.org> 14188: use either grapheneos.org/install/web or grapheneos.org/install/cli

<chr0n05:privacytools.io> thanks

<chr0n05:privacytools.io> when "fastboot flashing unlock" i get < waiting for any device >

<chr0n05:privacytools.io> the phone is connected to my pc

<strcat:grapheneos.org> make sure to follow all the instructions there

<strcat:grapheneos.org> there's more to it than that

<wrengulf:matrix.org> I'm trying to implement multiple users. When I add a new user and switch to it, I cant connect to my desktop with adb because I can't turn on USB debugging in settings (no developer options there even though its activated on Owner). If I switch back to Owner and turn on USB debugging and then switch back to newly created user, any file I transfer from desktop to phone with adb push completes successfully but is s

<wrengulf:matrix.org> Or is there an alternate way to access all the APKs/installed apps on Owner ? I basically want to be able to open apps I've already installed in Owner but with fresh app data for the new user (to use two different logins)

<chr0n05:privacytools.io> > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> make sure to follow all the instructions there

<chr0n05:privacytools.io>

<chr0n05:privacytools.io> i did, the bootloader is not showing anything to accept

<strcat:grapheneos.org> read everything there

<strcat:grapheneos.org> provide more details on what you've done

<strcat:grapheneos.org> read what it says about USB

<strcat:grapheneos.org> wrengulf: ADB is a development tool not intended for use on production devices

<strcat:grapheneos.org> wrengulf: you shouldn't be using it for file transfer

<wrengulf:matrix.org> What should I be using for file transfer to my desktop ?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> grapheneos.org/faq#file-transfer

<strcat:grapheneos.org> ADB is not a development tool which gives the computer a massive level of control over the device

<strcat:grapheneos.org> ADB is a development tool which gives the computer a massive level of control over the device

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's not intended for end users, it's for app / OS developers

<strcat:grapheneos.org> you're expected to know the file system layout and relevant commands to use it

<nat:nekopon.pl> I think all of my Android phones that I used had broken MTP on custom roms

<strcat:grapheneos.org> MTP works fine

<nat:nekopon.pl> I always have to use adb pull/push

<wrengulf:matrix.org> OK thanks. Is there anyway for me to use apps in a new user (apps that are installed in Owner) ?

<strcat:grapheneos.org> safest way to transfer files is with a USB drive or an app-based mechanism

<nat:nekopon.pl> Maybe it does on graphene

<strcat:grapheneos.org> wrengulf: just install the apps there

<nat:nekopon.pl> But definitely not on my phones

<strcat:grapheneos.org> wrengulf: don't really understand why you're using ADB for these things

<strcat:grapheneos.org> if you want to install an app, download and install it

<strcat:grapheneos.org> you have no need to use ADB for these things, you've been making a huge mistake by using it

<nat:nekopon.pl> Back when I had jelly bean I was using some random app that was forcing old file transfer

<strcat:grapheneos.org> MTP works perfectly on GrapheneOS just like AOSP / stock OS

<strcat:grapheneos.org> MTP works perfectly on GrapheneOS just like AOSP / Google Android

<wrengulf:matrix.org> > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> safest way to transfer files is with a USB drive or an app-based mechanism

<wrengulf:matrix.org>

<wrengulf:matrix.org> OK, so just plugging in a USB stick directly into port on the phone ?

<nat:nekopon.pl> 👌

<strcat:grapheneos.org> wrengulf: yes, or use MTP if you actually want to give the computer access to the profile's whole shared storage directory

<strcat:grapheneos.org> wrengulf: either way, don't use ADB for that, it gives far more access/control than that

<strcat:grapheneos.org> MTP is the normal way that users transfer files, not via a development tool / CLI tool on the computer which they have to enable via a hidden menu requiring passphrase and then turn on ADB + whitelist a key for the computer to trust it

<wrengulf:matrix.org> > <@strcat:grapheneos.org> you have no need to use ADB for these things, you've been making a huge mistake by using it

<wrengulf:matrix.org>

<wrengulf:matrix.org> Don't I use adb when installing graphene

<strcat:grapheneos.org> no

<strcat:grapheneos.org> ADB is not used as part of installing GrapheneOS

<strcat:grapheneos.org> at this point I'd suggest verifying you actually installed GrapheneOS and consider a factory reset

<strcat:grapheneos.org> because you're saying concerning things implying you used an unofficial guide and third party tools

<wrengulf:matrix.org> Ah OK, I used auditor to verify

<strcat:grapheneos.org> ADB is a development tool for debugging apps or the OS

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's hidden away in developer options and requires enabling that, then enabling it, then whitelisting the key for the computer

<wrengulf:matrix.org> I understand

<strcat:grapheneos.org> because it's extremely dangerous

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's not something meant for people to use on production devices especially as non-developers unaware of the implications

<wrengulf:matrix.org> I'll look into MTP

<wrengulf:matrix.org> Appreciate the advice

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it's explained in grapheneos.org/faq#file-transfer

<strcat:grapheneos.org> you just connect the phone and enable file transfer via USB settings

<strcat:grapheneos.org> it puts a notification about there being a connected computer which takes you to USB settings when pressed

<strcat:grapheneos.org> on any normal desktop OS it will just work like a drive you can browser (via MTP)

<strcat:grapheneos.org> just like connecting a camera or something else like that

<strcat:grapheneos.org> normally no need to install anything or set up anything special

<strcat:grapheneos.org> there are CLI tools for it but you don't *need* to do it that way and I doubt many people do

<wrengulf:matrix.org> OK, sounds like much better than the painful way I've been using ADB haha.

<strcat:grapheneos.org> the most secure way is using a USB drive because then you aren't giving some computer access to all of that profile's shared storage

<wrengulf:matrix.org> Thanks for Graphene... Its quickly become the only phone OS I want to use

<wrengulf:matrix.org> OK, I'll do that going forward on a dedicated USB drive

<strcat:grapheneos.org> ADB is the opposite: gives immense access to all kinds of things, ability to install apps, enable device managers, enable permissions including some development ones not possible to toggle on via the GUI, etc.

<wrengulf:matrix.org> Yeah, so I've basically been using a flamethrower to trim the lawn. Overly complicated and dangerous

<freddy_hubbard:matrix.org> I am considering what phone to get so that I can run GrapheneOS. Does GrapheneOS work on the "Pixel 5 - 5G" or do I have to use "Pixel 5" only?

<tharg:matrix.org> 5 or 4a 5G are both fine and will have the longest support

<louipc:libera> i thought pixel5 already has 5g

<freddy_hubbard:matrix.org> So are they the same thing then? I only ask because the 4a was different and because the only plain "Pixel 5" phones I could find were "Refurbished" or "Renewed" and all of the new ones were listed as "Pixel 5 - 5G". But they may be the same thing.

<tharg:matrix.org> There are physical differences, 4a has a headphone socket 5 doesn't, check google for the specs. See the following for more info

<tharg:matrix.org>

<tharg:matrix.org> grapheneos.org/faq#recommended-devices

<wrengulf:matrix.org> OK, I transferred an APK to new user using USB stock. That was Much easier. However when I try to install it fails and just says app not installed

<wrengulf:matrix.org> This is an apk from the Owner and it works fine there

<wrengulf:matrix.org> USB stick*

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > <@wrengulf:matrix.org> This is an apk from the Owner and it works fine there

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Some don't work in secondary profile. Such as termux. Or even frost wrapper (if installed in an other profile already). This is just an example though.

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Apps are generally #offtopic:grapheneos.org though, just an FYI.

<freddy_hubbard:matrix.org> Yes, thank you tharg, I think you are right. I think all of the Pixel 5s are 5G. I saw the "4a" and "4a (5G)" on the list of recommended devices, and the "5", but no "5 (5G)", but I think that they are the same thing. I know what to buy now.

<wrengulf:matrix.org> Ahh OK. But this is a question about the apk not installing. Multiple APKs have this issue. I should ask this question in off topic?

<anon1000:matrix.org> The netguard firewall caught internet connections from the "intent filter verification service" when applying updates through foxydroid on a pixel with GOS. I have 2 questions:

<anon1000:matrix.org>

<anon1000:matrix.org> 1) Does this service belong to the GOS base system?

<anon1000:matrix.org>

<anon1000:matrix.org> 2) If yes, is the default internet permission required?

<anon1000:matrix.org>

<anon1000:matrix.org> I ask because these internet connections seem rather fishy:

<anon1000:matrix.org>

<anon1000:matrix.org> 104.21.89.99/443 (cloudfront)

<anon1000:matrix.org> 142.250.186.174/443 (google)

<anon1000:matrix.org> 94.100.180.236/443 (mail.ru ???)

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > <@wrengulf:matrix.org> Ahh OK. But this is a question about the apk not installing. Multiple APKs have this issue. I should ask this question in off topic?

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> That's was just an FYI about general apps inquiry for offtopic.

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > <@wrengulf:matrix.org> Ahh OK. But this is a question about the apk not installing. Multiple APKs have this issue. I should ask this question in off topic?

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> I understand about the apks not installing. Which is why I provided an example here.

<wrengulf:matrix.org> > <@akc3n:grapheneos.org> That's was just an FYI about general apps inquiry for offtopic.

<wrengulf:matrix.org>

<wrengulf:matrix.org> Thanks for FYI

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Some don't work when trying to install in alternative profiles.

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > <@anon1000:matrix.org> The netguard firewall caught internet connections from the "intent filter verification service" when applying updates through foxydroid on a pixel with GOS. I have 2 questions:

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> >

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > 1) Does this service belong to the GOS base system?

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> >

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > 2) If yes, is the default internet permission required?

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> >

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > I ask because these internet connections seem rather fishy:

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> >

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > 104.21.89.99/443 (cloudfront)

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > 142.250.186.174/443 (google)

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > 94.100.180.236/443 (mail.ru ???)

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> mobile.twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1398542132055584771

<joe:joe.vg> Hello, is there a way to prevent apps from accessing the clipboard, list of apps etc? I used XPrvacyLua in the past (I know its not fully secure and I will not root my GrapheneOS phone!) and I miss those features

<flawedworld:matrix.org> > <@joe:joe.vg> Hello, is there a way to prevent apps from accessing the clipboard, list of apps etc? I used XPrvacyLua in the past (I know its not fully secure and I will not root my GrapheneOS phone!) and I miss those features

<flawedworld:matrix.org>

<flawedworld:matrix.org> See: grapheneos.org/faq#clipboard

<anon1000:matrix.org> Let me just be a bit more explicit. Netguard was configured to let the service in question to connect to the internet as does the system. My 2 questions are not about netguard and its leaks. I know what the project leader thinks of VPN firewalls.

<ccba:matrix.org> Lol people startet selling grapheneos with pixel 4a on the streets for 1000€

<joe:joe.vg> > <@flawedworld:matrix.org> See: grapheneos.org/faq#clipboard

<joe:joe.vg>

<joe:joe.vg> Yeah, I had read that, but the currently focused app can still read the clipboard without us knowing. That's why I was wondering, but thanks for thw answer

<ccba:matrix.org> Fucking idiots

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > <@anon1000:matrix.org> Let me just be a bit more explicit. Netguard was configured to let the service in question to connect to the internet as does the system. My 2 questions are not about netguard and its leaks. I know what the project leader thinks of VPN firewalls.

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> It was not intended to be about leaks. Just a reference point on apps that send data to their servers. It's often hard to draw the distinction between malware and the most popular apps, if there is one.

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> ....If you read the whole conversation on that twitter thread.

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> *The purpose of me replying with the twitter link was that it was not intended yo be about leaks...

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> *The purpose of me replying with the twitter link was that it was not intended to be about leaks...

<ccba:matrix.org> Is Daniel micay the only one with the signing key for the OS?

<ccba:matrix.org> Anybody?

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Yes

<ccba:matrix.org> Ok thx

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > <@ccba:matrix.org> Is Daniel micay the only one with the signing key for the OS?

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Curious as to why you wanted to know?

<ccba:matrix.org> It just a matter of time till FBI, dea or some other agencies are gonna put heavy pressure on him

<ccba:matrix.org> Lots of criminals are just moving to grapheneos with signal.

<wrengulf:matrix.org> > <@ccba:matrix.org> It just a matter of time till FBI, dea or some other agencies are gonna put heavy pressure on him

<wrengulf:matrix.org>

<wrengulf:matrix.org> You got a link for that ?

<ccba:matrix.org> No, but after encro, sky and now anom it seems some criminals started using their brains

<zanthed:eridan.me> wtf would the DEA be coming to Daniel for lmao

<ccba:matrix.org> And it is just common sense

<ccba:matrix.org> > <@zanthed:eridan.me> wtf would the DEA be coming to Daniel for lmao

<ccba:matrix.org>

<ccba:matrix.org> Backdooring

<ccba:matrix.org> I'm not saying he would do it

<ccba:matrix.org> Also hard to do it in am open source project

<ccba:matrix.org> But not impossible

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> Daniel/GrapheneOS isn't selling anything and there are lots of innocent users of GrapheneOS. This is a completely different situation to the other examples that were mentioned. Also speculation is super unwelcome especially in this channel.

<zanthed:eridan.me> ^

<zanthed:eridan.me> this is really just conspiracy stuff

<ccba:matrix.org> > <@resist.berlin:matrix.org> Daniel/GrapheneOS isn't selling anything and there are lots of innocent users of GrapheneOS. This is a completely different situation to the other examples that were mentioned. Also speculation is super unwelcome especially in this channel.

<ccba:matrix.org>

<ccba:matrix.org> I'm not speculating. There are companies in Berlin u should know that also provide heavily encrypted phones. Even with own hardware that got pressured by dea

<ccba:matrix.org> They just knock and want to talk

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> GrapheneOS is not a company

<ccba:matrix.org> I know

<ccba:matrix.org> Doesn't matter what it is

<ccba:matrix.org> They look for the one that can sign releases

<zanthed:eridan.me> > <@ccba:matrix.org> Doesn't matter what it is

<zanthed:eridan.me>

<zanthed:eridan.me> it does. there is no company

<ccba:matrix.org> I know what graphene is man

<ccba:matrix.org> No need to educate me

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> If anything they will go after distributors. Again, this is bordering on conspiracy stuff and very off-topic for this channel. You might get banned if you continue.

<stiffcliff:matrix.org> ccba been getting high on your on supply dude...

<zanthed:eridan.me> yeah, please stop with the conspiracy crap

<stiffcliff:matrix.org> Own*

<ccba:matrix.org> Why do you think it is conspiracy?

<flawedworld:matrix.org> This kind of conversation is not productive. We could speculate for hours about what ifs. We could speculate for hours about adversaries with unlimited budgets and resources. Please take it elsewhere.

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> #offtopic:grapheneos.org

<ccba:matrix.org> > <@akc3n:grapheneos.org> #offtopic:grapheneos.org

<ccba:matrix.org>

<ccba:matrix.org> Ok

<zanthed:eridan.me> not even there. this is just going to be conspiracy circlejerk

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> And when in offtopic then refer back to flawedworld reply

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> What is on-topic is this: attestation.app/about and you should read it.

<zanthed:eridan.me> remote verification with that is so epic

<ccba:matrix.org> > <@zanthed:eridan.me> remote verification with that is so epic

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<ccba:matrix.org> Could be circumvented with a persistent hack. But let's stop here

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> ccba: better yet, please read our rules in its entirety before posting anything in here or offtopic.

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> loui.ca/grapheneos.org/static/irc-rules.txt

<zanthed:eridan.me> yes please.

<sphinxcat:matrix.org> > <@resist.berlin:matrix.org> What is on-topic is this: attestation.app/about and you should read it.

<sphinxcat:matrix.org>

<sphinxcat:matrix.org> and grapheneos.org/usage#updates-security / grapheneos.org/history

<wrengulf:matrix.org> Throwing around the conspiracy word says just as much about the speaker as it does about the person they are trying to brand with it.

<ccba:matrix.org> Ok will read the rules

<ccba:matrix.org> > <@wrengulf:matrix.org> Throwing around the conspiracy word says just as much about the speaker as it does about the person they are trying to brand with it.

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<ccba:matrix.org> True

<parisnice:matrix.org> > It just a matter of time till FBI, dea or some other agencies are gonna put heavy pressure on him

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<parisnice:matrix.org> Its actually a valid point

<chr0n05:privacytools.io> The udev rules on Debian and Ubuntu are very out-of-date but the package has the rules needed for Pixel phones since the same USB IDs have been used for many years.

<chr0n05:privacytools.io> is this really the case?

<ccba:matrix.org> D) Hypothetical worst-case scenarios like backdoors, nationstate adversaries, intelligence agencies or "Three Letter Agencies" and their capabilities. This type of discussion just ends up being GrapheneOS versus your imagination. Code has limits, your imagination doesn't, and it's not useful to threat model against an adversary whose capabilities are hypothetical and unlimited.

<ccba:matrix.org> Ok got it

<ccba:matrix.org> Understood

<flawedworld:matrix.org> > <@chr0n05:privacytools.io> is this really the case?

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<flawedworld:matrix.org> Yes it is. Works fine for me on my GrapheneOS dev VM.

<ccba:matrix.org> > <@parisnice:matrix.org> > It just a matter of time till FBI, dea or some other agencies are gonna put heavy pressure on him

<ccba:matrix.org> >

<ccba:matrix.org> > Its actually a valid point

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<ccba:matrix.org> For sure it is and it will happen. Just give it some time. Not that one should be afraid of it. Therefore it is better only one person holding the key to sign the OS.

<ccba:matrix.org> This was the reason is asked if only he signs

<resist.berlin:matrix.org> Afaik there are no National Security Letters (or equivalent) in Canada, so he could just tell us. It's a bigger problem in the US

<chr0n05:privacytools.io> > <@flawedworld:matrix.org> Yes it is. Works fine for me on my GrapheneOS dev VM.

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<chr0n05:privacytools.io> im using a usb-c to usb-a cable and the phone only recharges - no data transfer

<flawedworld:matrix.org> > <@chr0n05:privacytools.io> im using a usb-c to usb-a cable and the phone only recharges - no data transfer

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<flawedworld:matrix.org> May be a cable issue, can you try using the cable that came in the box?

<chr0n05:privacytools.io> i dont have a usb-c port on my computer

<flawedworld:matrix.org> USB cables are often "broken" in a sense that they dont adhere to the USB standard and dont implement data lines.

<flawedworld:matrix.org> > <@chr0n05:privacytools.io> The udev rules on Debian and Ubuntu are very out-of-date but the package has the rules needed for Pixel phones since the same USB IDs have been used for many years.

<flawedworld:matrix.org>

<flawedworld:matrix.org> Since you installed udev rules, can you reboot the system and try again to rule that out?

<ccba:matrix.org> Does putting a warrant canary on the website make sense?

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > <@ccba:matrix.org> Does putting a warrant canary on the website make sense?

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> #offtopic:grapheneos.org

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Please read the rules carefully ccba loui.ca/grapheneos.org/static/irc-rules.txt

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> This is now your official warning.

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Please read the rules carefully again ccba loui.ca/grapheneos.org/static/irc-rules.txt

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> This is now your official warning.

<ccba:matrix.org> Ok

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> You've been told several times by me and another mod, as well as others in this room.

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Please don't do it again. Thank you.

<chr0n05:privacytools.io> > <@flawedworld:matrix.org> Since you installed udev rules, can you reboot the system and try again to rule that out?

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<chr0n05:privacytools.io> nope... cable issues most probably im stuck at "fastboot flashing unlock"

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Please read the rules carefully again ccba loui.ca/grapheneos.org/static/irc-rules.txt

<akc3n:grapheneos.org>

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> This is now your official last warning.

<chr0n05:privacytools.io> ill use a windows computer with an usb-c port next time

<akc3n:grapheneos.org> > <@chr0n05:privacytools.io> nope... cable issues most probably im stuck at "fastboot flashing unlock"

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<akc3n:grapheneos.org> Are you in a desktop or laptop?